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If they withdraw your dome badge again, Buck..
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aryavazhi
2015-02-27 12:18:47 UTC
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Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
salyavin808
2015-02-27 13:00:09 UTC
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I don't get it, what have I missed?

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Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
aryavazhi
2015-02-27 13:08:41 UTC
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I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes


http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
salyavin808
2015-02-27 17:23:20 UTC
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I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-27 17:27:45 UTC
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.
All while claiming that TM makes one "invincible." Classic Orwellian double-speak.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
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It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 

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Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-01 22:32:00 UTC
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All while claiming that TM makes one "invincible." Classic Orwellian double-speak.

Speaking of classic Orwellian double-speak:

"I've been sitting three feet in front of him and seen him go invisible, to the point where you could see stars through the outline of his body, and then no outline. I've seen him do the same trick from the feet up, leaving only a Cheshire Cat smile before it went pop! and disappeared, too." - TurquoiseBee
dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-01 14:25:57 UTC
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As it turns out, 'Administratively' what was my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation sometime ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had reapplied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:
I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-01 19:55:51 UTC
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Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.




















It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-01 23:33:07 UTC
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In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.




















It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
srijau@ymail.com
2015-03-02 00:12:49 UTC
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Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.
dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-02 11:43:29 UTC
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Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
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***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.




















It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-02 14:14:09 UTC
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There is nothing ironic about it.The TMO leaders are following faithfully in Marshy's footsteps. Marsy always gave instructions to his followers that he did not follow himself, you know, like being celibate? Like being honest? Like telling the truth?So Emperor Tony is just being a little Marshy.

From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 6:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

  Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathyand level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in thepicture is quite large given the longer course of events with theirwholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movementfor its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality incontext just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its largesense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know thecontext.   

srijau writes:Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

In talking around Fairfield about thiswith others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine herewho is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here forTM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisorto Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this personis now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Domebadge from last December.  

Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher whohas long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domeswho I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is beingturned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result.   Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers arethemselves left spare.   


As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go toour movement meetings expired yesterday.
I had been re-admitted the Domemeditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policiesin a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which readthat I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Bein the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritualpractices in the Dome. Simple.
Administratively now they let my badge gofallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with thepassing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update mybadge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does nottake long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail.Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.
Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' inFairfield, Iowa,JaiGuruDev, -Buck   

salyavin808 writes:
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.
Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
| |
| | | | Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. | |
| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |

 

***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 





 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
| |
| | | | Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. | |
| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 




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aryavazhi
2015-03-02 14:25:43 UTC
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Yep. Here is a photo from better times, when Swami Muktananda and Maharishi met in the conference hall in Seelisberg, and Muktananda had 30 of his devotees with him, singing and swinging to 'Om namah Shivaya'.

But after that event, when Muktananda claimed in his book, that Maharishi had approved of his system, and some of Maharishis devotees changed camp, a purge set in in Seelisberg, with people having to hand in books and tapes of the Swami.

Who says, that Maharaja meeting Swami Ramdev, might not be see as an approval of his system of Ayurveda, and people might feel like ordering his products in the online shop. Or they might have yagyas done by the Amritapuri Ashram instead of the Maharishi pundits . Haven't they all just advocated the same 'vedic India'? Or is someone's India more vedic than the other? What's the deal?
anartaxius@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-02 20:37:22 UTC
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Welcome back to the insular world of the human species Buck, not that you ever escaped.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 06:24:06 UTC
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Excellent point. "Having a dome badge" is the TMO counterpart of having a membership in an elite golf club, and thus feeling the right to look down upon everyone who isn't a member. And that is *exactly* what Buck has been doing on a regular basis since they gave him back his badge. His has been the loudest, most strident, and most elitist voice on this forum, whether he was calling those lesser than him "non-meditators" or "anti-meditators" or just telling other people that the only way to deal with such scum was to send drones after them.

Now he's out in the cold as one of the very low-lifes he used to pretend to be superior to. Karma, dude.
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
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steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 13:02:35 UTC
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bell jar dude, bell jar.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Excellent point. "Having a dome badge" is the TMO counterpart of having a membership in an elite golf club, and thus feeling the right to look down upon everyone who isn't a member. And that is *exactly* what Buck has been doing on a regular basis since they gave him back his badge. His has been the loudest, most strident, and most elitist voice on this forum, whether he was calling those lesser than him "non-meditators" or "anti-meditators" or just telling other people that the only way to deal with such scum was to send drones after them.



Now he's out in the cold as one of the very low-lifes he used to pretend to be superior to. Karma, dude.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your Dome badge again, Buck.



Welcome back to the insular world of the human species Buck, not that you ever escaped.
aryavazhi
2015-03-02 16:06:16 UTC
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I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.
salyavin808
2015-03-02 16:35:14 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.


The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!


Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-02 18:07:22 UTC
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they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance.

I have pointed out this very thing to many TB'ers - many of them right here on FFL. All they ever did was make excuses for TM, the TM asses that abuse their rank and file members and revile me for pointing out the obvious.

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :



I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did.  But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.
The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?
What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.
And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!
Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.
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dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 02:40:30 UTC
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There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.







srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.




















It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.


























Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.




















It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 03:28:48 UTC
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From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.




















It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.


























Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive po

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TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 05:24:29 UTC
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It seems to me that you could have said all of this much more simply: "The TM movement has realized that all that talk about 'invicibility' was bullshit and so now we're going to cower fearfully in our domes and never allow anyone who has demonstrated any curiosity ('the natural tendency of the mind') into our midst for fear it would pollute us."
Salyavin made the best point re all of this -- WHY on earth would you want to be part of all of this?  If 'invincibility' was a lie, then certainly the 'Maharishi Effect' was, too.
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..
  From some community committees I havebeen on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology initeration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption aboutpeople who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates thatpeople who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarilylost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM andtherefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Domeprogram at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.

As is said now, the assumption is thatother teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortlesspractice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritualteachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.       

There seems an undercurrent at workevidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badgesand now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Domebadges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html
aryavazhi offers:
I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did.  But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.

salyavin808 writes:

The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?
What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.
And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!
Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.

srijau writes:Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.
;)
Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.   


In talking around Fairfield about thiswith others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine herewho is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here forTM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisorto Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this personis now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Domebadge from last December.  

Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher whohas long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domeswho I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is beingturned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result.   Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers arethemselves left spare.   


As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go toour movement meetings expired yesterday.
I had been re-admitted the Domemeditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policiesin a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which readthat I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Bein the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritualpractices in the Dome. Simple.
Administratively now they let my badge gofallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with thepassing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update mybadge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does nottake long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail.Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.
Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' inFairfield, Iowa,JaiGuruDev, -Buck   

salyavin808 writes:
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.
Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
| |
| | | | Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. | |
| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |

 

***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 





 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
| |
| | | | Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. | |
| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 





 

Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher whohas long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domeswho I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is beingturned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result.   Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers arethemselves left spare.   


As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go toour movement meetings expired yesterday.
I had been re-admitted the Domemeditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policiesin a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which readthat I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Bein the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritualpractices in the Dome. Simple.
Administratively now they let my badge gofallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with thepassing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update mybadge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does nottake long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail.Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.
Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' inFairfield, Iowa,JaiGuruDev, -Buck   

salyavin808 writes:
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.
Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
| |
| | | | Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. | |
| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |

 

***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive po

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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
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We could say the same thing about your cult activities:

If you spent 14 years trying to be a spiritual teacher and convince people they could fly, why would you go over to Rama for another 20 years and try to convince people they could levitate?

Anybody with any smarts would give this notion only about 5 minutes and they would probably conclude that humans can't "lift up slowly off of a sofa" and be suspended in mid-air with no visible means of support.

So, why don't you just tell us what was going through your mind for 34 years that made you think you could perform super-normal feats. Just be honest.

Why on earth would you want to be a part of that, when everyone on the planet knows that it's impossible for humans defy gravity? If yogic flying was a lie, why would you believe Rama when he told you he could levitate? Go figure.

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It seems to me that you could have said all of this much more simply: "The TM movement has realized that all that talk about 'invicibility' was bullshit and so now we're going to cower fearfully in our domes and never allow anyone who has demonstrated any curiosity ('the natural tendency of the mind') into our midst for fear it would pollute us."

Salyavin made the best point re all of this -- WHY on earth would you want to be part of all of this? If 'invincibility' was a lie, then certainly the 'Maharishi Effect' was, too.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 4:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.



As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
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***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.




















It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.


























Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
salyavin808
2015-03-03 10:48:47 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,


Never mind Buck, make the most of it and go on holiday. Or use the time to really get involved in something else of a spiritual nature. If you're like me you'll find that doing hours of prog each day is a waste of time and TM 20X20 is more than enough to coast you through the day. In fact, it's way more effortless than the trudge to the dome to sit around hoping for a breakthrough to make it all worthwhile.


And to be totally honest, I was much happier when I stopped the TMSP because after 10 years of practise I realised it's a lot of effort for nothing much and it made me feel worse then vanilla TM but I was just programmed to tell myself that "something good was happeneing". Quitting the programming to stop doing it is tough though because of the subliminal guilt they pile on but the freedom you get from having more time in your day more than makes up for that. Most of the effects of the TMSP are hopes and beliefs about what it is doing to you, not experiences and especially not experiences of what it's supposed to be achieving for you.


Medatation is about freedom and, it looks like the TMO has given you yours. Fly away and pray you don't end up like the dome nazis. They aren't worth your time.




JaiGuruDev,


-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.




















It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.











It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 11:25:45 UTC
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go toour movement meetings expired yesterday.
I had been re-admitted the Domemeditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policiesin a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which readthat I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Bein the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritualpractices in the Dome. Simple.
Administratively now they let my badge gofallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with thepassing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update mybadge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does nottake long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail.Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.
Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' inFairfield, Iowa,
Never mind Buck, make the most of it and go on holiday. Or use the time to really get involved in something else of a spiritual nature. If you're like me you'll find that doing hours of prog each day is a waste of time and TM 20X20 is more than enough to coast you through the day. In fact, it's way more effortless than the trudge to the dome to sit around hoping for a breakthrough to make it all worthwhile.
And to be totally honest, I was much happier when I stopped the TMSP because after 10 years of practise I realised it's a lot of effort for nothing much and it made me feel worse then vanilla TM but I was just programmed to tell myself that "something good was happeneing". Quitting the programming to stop doing it is tough though because of the subliminal guilt they pile on but the freedom you get from having more time in your day more than makes up for that.  Most of the effects of the TMSP are hopes and beliefs about what it is doing to you, not experiences and especially not experiences of what it's supposed to be achieving for you.
Medatation is about freedom and, it looks like the TMO has given you yours. Fly away and pray you don't end up like the dome nazis. They aren't worth your time.

As he so often does, Salyavin has cut through the crap and revealed the silver lining to what you're incorrectly perceiving as dark clouds, Buck. This is not a bad thing -- it's LIBERATION!

You should be throwing your hands into the air and doing a little Snoopy-dance of celebration, shouting 'FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, GREAT GOOGLY-MOOGLY I'M FREE AT LAST!!"

No longer do you have to *pretend* to be an On The Program TMer around here and hide behind the nom-de-cowardice of "Buck." You can go back to being plain ol' Doug Hamilton, and having an actual personality and actual opinions again.

Think of this as an opportunity to drop your old persona and find yourself a new one. In a way, it's like "Buck" (who never existed) can stop having to spout all of his nonsense about the ME (which, believe me, NO ONE on this forum ever believed), and Doug can reappear. You've been given the same "second chance" at having a life that Stephen Colbert recently gave himself by stepping away from his old show and fake persona. Why not step away from yours as well. Heck, you could even finally grow a beard again, just as Stephen has:
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 12:45:08 UTC
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Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 5:48 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

In talking around Fairfield about thiswith others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine herewho is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here forTM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisorto Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this personis now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Domebadge from last December.  

Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher whohas long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domeswho I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is beingturned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result.   Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers arethemselves left spare.   


As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go toour movement meetings expired yesterday.
I had been re-admitted the Domemeditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policiesin a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which readthat I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Bein the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritualpractices in the Dome. Simple.
Administratively now they let my badge gofallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with thepassing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update mybadge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does nottake long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail.Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.
Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' inFairfield, Iowa,
Never mind Buck, make the most of it and go on holiday. Or use the time to really get involved in something else of a spiritual nature. If you're like me you'll find that doing hours of prog each day is a waste of time and TM 20X20 is more than enough to coast you through the day. In fact, it's way more effortless than the trudge to the dome to sit around hoping for a breakthrough to make it all worthwhile.
And to be totally honest, I was much happier when I stopped the TMSP because after 10 years of practise I realised it's a lot of effort for nothing much and it made me feel worse then vanilla TM but I was just programmed to tell myself that "something good was happeneing". Quitting the programming to stop doing it is tough though because of the subliminal guilt they pile on but the freedom you get from having more time in your day more than makes up for that.  Most of the effects of the TMSP are hopes and beliefs about what it is doing to you, not experiences and especially not experiences of what it's supposed to be achieving for you.
Medatation is about freedom and, it looks like the TMO has given you yours. Fly away and pray you don't end up like the dome nazis. They aren't worth your time.

JaiGuruDev, 
-Buck   

salyavin808 writes:
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.
Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
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***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 





 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
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| | | | Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. | |
| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



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salyavin808
2015-03-03 16:54:34 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 21:57:12 UTC
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Oh I love it! Got the inspiration in the Dome!!!! And you actually left in the middle of program!?!?!?! Wonder what your Skelmie buddies thought of that!?

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 22:35:26 UTC
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He got inspired after 12 years to quit his job and become homeless? Or, he did he move back in with his mother?

Apparently a 12 year gap in his resume would make it difficult to find employment and living in his mother's basement doesn't sound very much better than living in a rented room at a TM Center.

There's probably nothing much more boring than being celibate and broke living at a TM Academy for a decade. I don't blame him for quitting, but why did it take him 12 years, when you wised up in only 2 years? Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh I love it! Got the inspiration in the Dome!!!! And you actually left in the middle of program!?!?!?! Wonder what your Skelmie buddies thought of that!?



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
salyavin808
2015-03-04 07:01:57 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh I love it! Got the inspiration in the Dome!!!! And you actually left in the middle of program!?!?!?! Wonder what your Skelmie buddies thought of that!?



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 08:10:13 UTC
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh I love it! Got the inspiration in the Dome!!!! And you actually left in the middle of program!?!?!?! Wonder what your Skelmie buddies thought of that!?

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
The metaphor that best explains what *happened* to all of these bright, once-intelligent people to turn them into cult zombies is "frog in the saucepan." Yeah, I know it probably never happened and is kind of an urban myth, but *as a metaphor* it not only explains what we saw happening around us for decades in cults, it explains what happened to *us*. And it explains it better than most other metaphors or explanations.

For those not familiar with the metaphor, it goes like this: Put a frog in a pot of boiling water and naturally it jumps right out and saves itself. But put a frog in a pot of cold water and then slowly raise the temperature of that water to boiling, and the frog will not notice the gradual changes and stay there until he becomes a cooked frog.

THAT is what happens in a cult. Who among us here on FFL would *ever* have started TM if we had been told that it was a technique that demanded we spend 3 to 4 hours a day practicing it? Who would have started TM if we had been told that it would one day demand that we live in houses built and sold to us by TMers, take weird pseudo-medicines sold to us by TMers, get our astrological charts done on a regular basis by TMers, pay money to have little brown boys beg the Hindu gods for favors on our behalf, and refuse to enter or leave a building from the "wrong" direction because Bad Things Might Happen?
Show of hands. See? Almost no one.  :-)
NOBODY would have bought into this crap. EVERYONE would have perceived the people trying to sell it to them as cultists and run the other way.

But the TMO cult masters "started small," with TM 20/20. Then TM 40/40. Then becoming vegetarians. And then...yeah...all that other stuff. And because it happened gradually, over a period of years, people bought it. You probably would have bought it, too, Sal, back in the days before you had your "This is all bullshit" epiphany in Skelmerdale. The TMO "raised the temperature" of the beliefs required to be a member so slowly that people wound up buying into things they would have *instantly* perceived as bullshit only a few years before.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 08:10:46 UTC
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh I love it! Got the inspiration in the Dome!!!! And you actually left in the middle of program!?!?!?! Wonder what your Skelmie buddies thought of that!?

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
The metaphor that best explains what *happened* to all of these bright, once-intelligent people to turn them into cult zombies is "the frog in the saucepan." Yeah, I know it probably never happened and is kind of an urban myth, but *as a metaphor* it not only explains what we saw happening around us for decades in cults, it explains what happened to *us*. And it explains it better than most other metaphors or explanations.

For those not familiar with the metaphor, it goes like this: Put a frog in a pot of boiling water and naturally it jumps right out and saves itself. But put a frog in a pot of cold water and then slowly raise the temperature of that water to boiling, and the frog will not notice the gradual changes and stay there until he becomes a cooked frog.

THAT is what happens in a cult. Who among us here on FFL would *ever* have started TM if we had been told that it was a technique that demanded we spend 3 to 4 hours a day practicing it? Who would have started TM if we had been told that it would one day demand that we live in houses built and sold to us by TMers, take weird pseudo-medicines sold to us by TMers, get our astrological charts done on a regular basis by TMers, pay money to have little brown boys beg the Hindu gods for favors on our behalf, and refuse to enter or leave a building from the "wrong" direction because Bad Things Might Happen?
Show of hands. See? Almost no one.  :-)
NOBODY would have bought into this crap. EVERYONE would have perceived the people trying to sell it to them as cultists and run the other way.

But the TMO cult masters "started small," with TM 20/20. Then TM 40/40. Then becoming vegetarians. And then...yeah...all that other stuff. And because it happened gradually, over a period of years, people bought it. You probably would have bought it, too, Sal, back in the days before you had your "This is all bullshit" epiphany in Skelmerdale. The TMO "raised the temperature" of the beliefs required to be a member so slowly that people wound up buying into things they would have *instantly* perceived as bullshit only a few years before.
dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 11:38:31 UTC
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Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 11:50:32 UTC
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Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them.  :-)
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

  Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gottenyour meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker oreven an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in toa Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


salyavin808 shares:

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.




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dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 12:39:57 UTC
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These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..









---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 12:59:34 UTC
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I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.

Am I alone in noticing this?
Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

  These kinds of depressions in spiritualaperture of experience, this kind of 'dark night' testimony yourelate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This soundssimply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression inaperture that was endured. 
Practically taking exercise in a walk,possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking atthe physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means tohelp let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thingtaking extended walks at the time.  Also, I feel we should not justdiscount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocatinghere. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems toindicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise,watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck inFairfield, Iowa

***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them.  :-)

 Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gottenyour meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker oreven an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in toa Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


salyavin808 shares:

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.






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dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 13:23:22 UTC
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The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..









---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 13:50:28 UTC
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You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.
anartaxius@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 14:22:22 UTC
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Buck, I do not think this was an ad hominem. Barry was not saying your argument was wrong because you have a certain characteristic. He is saying he finds what you are saying is almost impossible to understand, and positing an hypothesis as to why that might be so.

I myself find many of your posts to be 'nearly incomprehensible'; you have a very unusual way of expressing yourself, it does not seem very direct, that is, it's convoluted. Also, in my experience, Barry does not care for twisted convoluted explanations, preferring short and direct, in clear straightforward language. This is part of his being a writer, because for a writer, the average audience is not necessarily so bright as to understand academically oriented speech. As for the passage you wrote that he commented on, I think I understand it, but I had to look up one word (acedia), and reread it several times to coax an understanding out of it.


Here is my understanding of what you wrote. You can tell me if I am wrong.


'There are experiences of depression with spiritual openings, a 'dark night' if you will. What you (Barry) are saying is the result of this, a period of spiritual or mental sloth caused by this depression.'


'Taking an extended walk can clear the mind, say about an hour; this would be a good idea. Don't discount what others are saying. Brahmananda Saraswati recommended keeping company with the enlightened. Science might support these ideas. Keep good company as one's grandmother would advise, for this is a worthwhile lesson.'


I think most people in the movement would understand the above.


Now to me Barry does not show mental sloth, he does not seem depressed; he is normally challenging your view of the world, your ideas and understanding,in specific ways. Here, however he truly wonders if you are having some sort of medical problem. Sometimes I think this as well. My suggestion would be to simplify your speech. Lots of spiritual teachers speak in rather simple direct language. It is not necessary to be this complicated and opaque in order to propound spiritual ideas. It does not sound profound if people cannot figure out what you are saying.


If someone challenges your ideas, and you think that challenge is not correct, the proper response is to meet those challenges by responding to them and meeting the objections with a counter argument.


====================


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.


These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)
dhamiltony2k5@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 14:45:16 UTC
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Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

































































The typical ad hominem:

(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..









---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 15:28:00 UTC
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As far as the average TMer is concerned, Barry IS the TMO and so there's not much difference between the org in Fairfield and the TB himself. If you post something he doesn't like, he will call the police on you and/or complain to the group owner in an attempt to get you banned from posting to FFL.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

































































The typical ad hominem:

(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 16:01:01 UTC
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The Big Shots accused you of being mentally unbalanced because you challenged their Dome policies??? Says a lot about them.That's why I question the efficacy of TM itself - after years of TM and TMSP Big Bopper Bevan and the rest should be infinitely loving, and infinitely flexible and infinitely friendly, compassion filled and happy, not mean and inflexible.

From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

  Of Turqb'scheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that thecourse office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did thesame thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I amwriting on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office peoplecalled my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalancedand should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I waswriting on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Samething here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no betterthan they were at this. -Buck in Fairfield
Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19

or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity...
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7

Rick Writing, "I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."


Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.
It's just Barry, being Barry.
His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.

The typicalad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealtwith straight on,(anargument or reaction) directed against a person rather than theposition they are maintaining.

turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.

Am I alone in noticing this?
Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.

 These kinds of depressions in spiritualaperture of experience,this kind of 'dark night' testimony yourelate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This soundssimply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression inaperture that was endured. 
Practically taking exercise in a walk,possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking atthe physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means tohelp let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thingtaking extended walks at the time.  Also, I feel we should not justdiscount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocatinghere. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems toindicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise,watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck inFairfield, Iowa

***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them.  :-)

 Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gottenyour meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker oreven an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in toa Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


salyavin808 shares:

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.       

There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html
aryavazhi offers:
I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did.  But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.

salyavin808 writes:

The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?
What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.
And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!
Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.

srijau writes:Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.
;)
Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.   


In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.  

Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result.   Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.   


As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.
I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.
Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.
Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,JaiGuruDev, -Buck   

salyavin808 writes:
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.
Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
| |
| | | | Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the DomesThis is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. | |
| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |

 

***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 
The typical ad hominem:
 (anargument or reaction) directed against a person rather than theposition they are maintaining.

turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.

Am I alone in noticing this?
Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.

 These kinds of depressions in spiritualaperture of experience,this kind of 'dark night' testimony yourelate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This soundssimply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression inaperture that was endured. 
Practically taking exercise in a walk,possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking atthe physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means tohelp let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thingtaking extended walks at the time.  Also, I feel we should not justdiscount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocatinghere. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems toindicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise,watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck inFairfield, Iowa

***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them.  :-)

 Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gottenyour meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker oreven an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in toa Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


salyavin808 shares:

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.








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salyavin808
2015-03-04 16:15:23 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The Big Shots accused you of being mentally unbalanced because you challenged their Dome policies??? Says a lot about them.That's why I question the efficacy of TM itself - after years of TM and TMSP Big Bopper Bevan and the rest should be infinitely loving, and infinitely flexible and infinitely friendly, compassion filled and happy, not mean and inflexible.




You forget that the more the TBs meditate the more "in tune" with "natural law" they consider themselves to be. And if a criticism comes from a non-governor well.... that'll be just about the dumbest thing they ever heard and no mistake.


Bottom line; anyone who criticises Marshy or his appointed minions is Off The Programme and is "unstressing" by the exact definition of the term, as in NOT being in tune with "natural law" as Marshy was the perfect exponent and living example of what being in tune means.


By their own terms Doug was being unbalanced and so shouldn't be in the dome where the powerful coherence might unbalance him further (?). This is life in cult city. I've been there myself, the food was good but the inmates drive you nuts.

From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

































































The typical ad hominem:

(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 16:28:49 UTC
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By their logic then the best spot for Douggy would BE the Domes so their amazing coherence would balance him and save his soul.

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The Big Shots accused you of being mentally unbalanced because you challenged their Dome policies??? Says a lot about them.That's why I question the efficacy of TM itself - after years of TM and TMSP Big Bopper Bevan and the rest should be infinitely loving, and infinitely flexible and infinitely friendly, compassion filled and happy, not mean and inflexible.

You forget that the more the TBs meditate the more "in tune" with "natural law" they consider themselves to be. And if a criticism comes from a non-governor well.... that'll be just about the dumbest thing they ever heard and no mistake.
Bottom line; anyone who criticises Marshy or his appointed minions is Off The Programme and is "unstressing" by the exact definition of the term, as in NOT being in tune with "natural law" as Marshy was the perfect exponent and living example of what being in tune means.
By their own terms Doug was being unbalanced and so shouldn't be in the dome where the powerful coherence might unbalance him further (?). This is life in cult city. I've been there myself, the food was good but the inmates drive you nuts.
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

 Of Turqb'scheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that thecourse office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did thesame thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I amwriting on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office peoplecalled my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalancedand should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I waswriting on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Samething here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no betterthan they were at this. -Buck in Fairfield
Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19

or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity...
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7

Rick Writing, "I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."


Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.
It's just Barry, being Barry.
His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.

The typicalad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealtwith straight on,(anargument or reaction) directed against a person rather than theposition they are maintaining.

turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.

Am I alone in noticing this?
Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.

 These kinds of depressions in spiritualaperture of experience,this kind of 'dark night' testimony yourelate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This soundssimply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression inaperture that was endured. 
Practically taking exercise in a walk,possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking atthe physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means tohelp let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thingtaking extended walks at the time.  Also, I feel we should not justdiscount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocatinghere. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems toindicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise,watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck inFairfield, Iowa

***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them.  :-)

 Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gottenyour meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker oreven an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in toa Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


salyavin808 shares:

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.       

There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html
aryavazhi offers:
I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did.  But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.

salyavin808 writes:

The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?
What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.
And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!
Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.

srijau writes:Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.
;)
Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.   


In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.  

Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result.   Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.   


As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.
I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.
Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.
Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,JaiGuruDev, -Buck   

salyavin808 writes:
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.
Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
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***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 
The typical ad hominem:
 (anargument or reaction) directed against a person rather than theposition they are maintaining.

turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.

Am I alone in noticing this?
Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.
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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 16:30:01 UTC
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The real irony here is according to Official Dome policy and to the Big Wigs at MUM Buck HIMSELF is a neganaut and a TM apostate!!!!!!

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The Big Shots accused you of being mentally unbalanced because you challenged their Dome policies??? Says a lot about them.That's why I question the efficacy of TM itself - after years of TM and TMSP Big Bopper Bevan and the rest should be infinitely loving, and infinitely flexible and infinitely friendly, compassion filled and happy, not mean and inflexible.

You forget that the more the TBs meditate the more "in tune" with "natural law" they consider themselves to be. And if a criticism comes from a non-governor well.... that'll be just about the dumbest thing they ever heard and no mistake.
Bottom line; anyone who criticises Marshy or his appointed minions is Off The Programme and is "unstressing" by the exact definition of the term, as in NOT being in tune with "natural law" as Marshy was the perfect exponent and living example of what being in tune means.
By their own terms Doug was being unbalanced and so shouldn't be in the dome where the powerful coherence might unbalance him further (?). This is life in cult city. I've been there myself, the food was good but the inmates drive you nuts.
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

 Of Turqb'scheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that thecourse office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did thesame thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I amwriting on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office peoplecalled my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalancedand should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I waswriting on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Samething here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no betterthan they were at this. -Buck in Fairfield
Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19

or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity...
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7

Rick Writing, "I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."


Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.
It's just Barry, being Barry.
His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.

The typicalad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealtwith straight on,(anargument or reaction) directed against a person rather than theposition they are maintaining.

turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.

Am I alone in noticing this?
Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.

 These kinds of depressions in spiritualaperture of experience,this kind of 'dark night' testimony yourelate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This soundssimply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression inaperture that was endured. 
Practically taking exercise in a walk,possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking atthe physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means tohelp let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thingtaking extended walks at the time.  Also, I feel we should not justdiscount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocatinghere. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems toindicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise,watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck inFairfield, Iowa

***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them.  :-)

 Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gottenyour meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker oreven an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in toa Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


salyavin808 shares:

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.       

There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html
aryavazhi offers:
I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did.  But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.

salyavin808 writes:

The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?
What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.
And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!
Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.

srijau writes:Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.
;)
Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.   


In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.  

Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result.   Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.   


As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.
I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.
Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.
Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,JaiGuruDev, -Buck   

salyavin808 writes:
I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.
Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.



I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.


Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes
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| | | | Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the DomesThis is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement. | |
| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |

 

***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 


 

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.

 aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 
The typical ad hominem:
 (anargument or reaction) directed against a person rather than theposition they are maintaining.

turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.

Am I alone in noticing this?
Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.
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salyavin808
2015-03-04 17:15:33 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The real irony here is according to Official Dome policy and to the Big Wigs at MUM Buck HIMSELF is a neganaut and a TM apostate!!!!!!



I think a drone attack is in order. We've got to keep the world pure.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The Big Shots accused you of being mentally unbalanced because you challenged their Dome policies??? Says a lot about them.That's why I question the efficacy of TM itself - after years of TM and TMSP Big Bopper Bevan and the rest should be infinitely loving, and infinitely flexible and infinitely friendly, compassion filled and happy, not mean and inflexible.




You forget that the more the TBs meditate the more "in tune" with "natural law" they consider themselves to be. And if a criticism comes from a non-governor well.... that'll be just about the dumbest thing they ever heard and no mistake.


Bottom line; anyone who criticises Marshy or his appointed minions is Off The Programme and is "unstressing" by the exact definition of the term, as in NOT being in tune with "natural law" as Marshy was the perfect exponent and living example of what being in tune means.


By their own terms Doug was being unbalanced and so shouldn't be in the dome where the powerful coherence might unbalance him further (?). This is life in cult city. I've been there myself, the food was good but the inmates drive you nuts.

From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma&soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma&soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 22:51:49 UTC
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Well, of course - you can't be on the TM program and at the same time be discussing the TM technique on social media outside the teaching environment. So, it sounds like you're off the program too, yet you still have one foot in the door when you say you're still practicing TM - a kind of hybrid meditator. The question is, for what purpose? Go figure.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The real irony here is according to Official Dome policy and to the Big Wigs at MUM Buck HIMSELF is a neganaut and a TM apostate!!!!!!



I think a drone attack is in order. We've got to keep the world pure.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The Big Shots accused you of being mentally unbalanced because you challenged their Dome policies??? Says a lot about them.That's why I question the efficacy of TM itself - after years of TM and TMSP Big Bopper Bevan and the rest should be infinitely loving, and infinitely flexible and infinitely friendly, compassion filled and happy, not mean and inflexible.




You forget that the more the TBs meditate the more "in tune" with "natural law" they consider themselves to be. And if a criticism comes from a non-governor well.... that'll be just about the dumbest thing they ever heard and no mistake.


Bottom line; anyone who criticises Marshy or his appointed minions is Off The Programme and is "unstressing" by the exact definition of the term, as in NOT being in tune with "natural law" as Marshy was the perfect exponent and living example of what being in tune means.


By their own terms Doug was being unbalanced and so shouldn't be in the dome where the powerful coherence might unbalance him further (?). This is life in cult city. I've been there myself, the food was good but the inmates drive you nuts.

From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma&soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma&soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 16:21:52 UTC
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Regardless of who said what, or for what reason, your writing is almost incomprehensible. I am not familiar with what your writing has been like over the years, but your links to past posts below prompted me to search for postings under your name in 2001. Several messages came up and they all showed a similar writing style. I could have used any, but here is one:

Fairfield Life https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377

Fairfield Life https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377 Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is home to Maharishi University of Mana...



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A comparison between the above 2001 post (and others which I have not provided links to, but anyone can do what I've done) and current posts shows clear degeneration. I doubt if anyone here would get pleasure in seeing such degeneration. Quite the opposite, I think. I sincerely suggest that you have some professional you respect do whatever tests can be done to check for lessening in cognitive function. Best wishes to you.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
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***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

































































The typical ad hominem:

(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 23:28:57 UTC
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Doug, this is hilarious, and is so spot on.

Yes, Barry is as obsessive as those he rants about, and the organization he rants about.


We heard a post the other day from aryavazi (I believe) about how he left the movement, and moved on.


Can you believe that Barry here, who left the movement, (physically) some forty years ago, is still here ranting about it, several hours a day, all these years later.


Please, I don't think he's the one best qualified to judge obsessive behavior.


And just for purposes of full disclosure, I admit to my obsessiveness in getting drawn into this same critique of Barry and some of the other detractors here.


But, at least, I feel I have a real life I can fall back on, which has some of the requisite indicators of someone who is not stuck in past unrequited life issues.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

































































The typical ad hominem:

(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Can you believe that Barry here, who left the movement, (physically) some forty years ago, is still here ranting about it, several hours a day, all these years later.

Maybe the Turqy is just a slow-learner, Steve.

"I had 14 years in the TMO and 20 more years in other organizations to work out those opinions, and stand by them fullly." - Uncle Tantra



Please, I don't think he's the one best qualified to judge obsessive behavior.

Maybe the Turqy should do a little self-analysis. LoL!

This is a psychological analysis of Barry Wright "Uncle Tantra", X-Buddhist Monk of Rama Dr. Frederick Lenz and X-TM practitioner. Barry "Uncle Tantra" Wright is the author of a poorly disjointed online "book" called Road Trip Mind:

Subject: Uncle Tantra - An analysis
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.dreams.castaneda, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Date: 2003-05-07 13:39:57 PST
Google Groups http://tinyurl.com/jonw




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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

































































The typical ad hominem:

(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?










Maybe the Turqy should do a little self-analysis. LoL!




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

































































The typical ad hominem:

(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?
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RIFF: (Spoken) Against the neganauts we need every meditator we got.

ACTION: (Spoken) Buck don't belong any more.

RIFF: Cut it, Action boy. I an Buck started the 'Ru's.

ACTION: Well, he acts like he don't wanna belong.

BABY JOHN: Who wouldn't wanna belong to the 'Ru's!

ACTION: Buck ain't been with us in the Dome for over a week.

SNOWBOY: What about the day we clobbered the Rubes on FFL?

A-RAB: Which we couldn't have done without Buck.

BABY JOHN: He saved my ever-lovin' neck!

RIFF: Right! He's always come through for us and he will now.

(Singing)
When you're a 'Ru,
You're a Ru all the way
From your first meditation
To your last dyin' day.

When you're a 'Ru,
If the spit hits the fan,
You got brothers and sisters around,
You're a family man!

You're never alone,
You're never disconnected!
You're home with your own:
When company's expected,
You're well protected!

Then you are set
With a capital R,
Which you'll never forget
Till they cart you away.
When you're a 'Ru,
You stay a 'Ru!

(Spoken) I know Buck like I know me. I guarantee you can count him in.





Sevenray27 wrote :

Doug, this is hilarious, and is so spot on.

Yes, Barry is as obsessive as those he rants about, and the organization he rants about.


We heard a post the other day from aryavazi (I believe) about how he left the movement, and moved on.


Can you believe that Barry here, who left the movement, (physically) some forty years ago, is still here ranting about it, several hours a day, all these years later.


Please, I don't think he's the one best qualified to judge obsessive behavior.


And just for purposes of full disclosure, I admit to my obsessiveness in getting drawn into this same critique of Barry and some of the other detractors here.


But, at least, I feel I have a real life I can fall back on, which has some of the requisite indicators of someone who is not stuck in past unrequited life issues.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Of Turqb's cheap shot, the Large irony with Turqb doing this on FFL is that the course office administrating Dome badges in Fairfield, Iowa did the same thing Turqb is doing here now with the ad hominem over what I am writing on FFL when back in the early 2000's the course office people called my wife explaining to her then that they thought I was mentally imbalanced and should not be in the Dome meditation for the critique I was writing on FFLthen about their anti-saint policy in those days. Same thing here now with Turqb. Turqb here too is evidently no better than they were at this.
-Buck in Fairfield


Writing in 2001,
FFL#19The Meditating Community https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/19



or Rick Archer writing in 2001,
7Re: [FairfieldLife] A Meditating Ccommunity... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7



Rick Writing,
"I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness



.....numbers flying in the domes would double overnight."






Seventhray27 writes:

You sound fine, Doug.

It's just Barry, being Barry.


His mean, lonely self, trying hard, (okay, not very hard), to couch it in genuine sympathy.


The typical ad hominem offered on FFL when what is written can't be addressed or dealt with straight on,
(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.




These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.


From some community committees I have been on recently I see there is a new more conservative ideology in iteration of the TM anti-saint reasoning in an assumption about people who have seen other spiritual teachers which postulates that people who have seen other spiritual teachers will have necessarily lost their delicate innocence in effortless meditation as is TM and therefore should not be allowed the privilege of being in the Dome program at all, even as they are practicing TM'ers or TM-Sidhas.
As is said now, the assumption is that other teachings will bleed over in to and corrupt the effortless practice of TM and hence people who have seen other spiritual teachers should no longer be included in the Dome program.


There seems an undercurrent at work evidently. I have run in to other community meditators here who are recently now in this reduced status of having applied to update their badges and now put off past the expiration date sticker on their Dome badges. http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html http://invincibleamerica.org/applications.html


aryavazhi offers:

I'm very sorry for this Buck, I had indeed no idea about this situation when posting this image. What makes me sad though even more, is that this issue never seems to go away. One time they will admit you, next time they won't, and they will keep playing this game.

I am interested, because I was in the same situation once, and I have my opinions. I left the movement for this very reason, leaving friends and my old life behind, to never turn back until now, when I revisited this place after two and a half decades, as I just posted here. I personally believe in looking forward, not backward, and I'm glad I decided the way I did. But it still makes me sad to see that this is still going on for some people.



salyavin808 writes:



The question I have is; why on Earth do people want to be part of an organisation that is so petty with who it lets into its precious domes?


What are they scared off? That Buck might pollute the hallowed foam with a contrary meme? So what if he does? It doesn't say much for their "invincibility" that getting a hug from another "saint" is enough to destroy the purity of the teaching but this is the sort of thing they are scared of. They don't like people mixing and matching stuff as they consider theirs to be the ultimate, one-and-only, all you'll ever need, superhighway to enlightenment. The irony of fact that so many people actually wanting to visit other "saints" or needing psychotherapy undermines the power of what they are trying to protect seems lost on them.


And there's no point slagging off the dome guardians as being unreasonable, petty- minded bureaucrats, they were created by the very technique that going into the dome is supposed to enhance. They are Marshy's chosen governors doing what years of meditation and training has taught them to do!



Buck should be one of their main men but they treat him like this! It doesn't say much for anyone concerned with it. Move on before you end up like them.





srijau writes: Im sorry to hear you are not given a Dome badge but this has nothing to do with the conference. No one at the conference was going there to get teaching from another tradition.

;)


Thanks, I do appreciate your sympathy and level of understanding, Srijau. But the irony offered in the picture is quite large given the longer course of events with their wholesale and methodical administrative shunning of their larger movement for its having gone out to visit with leaders in spirituality in context just like these, and even Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam now. The picture is quite funny as offered here simply in its large sense of ironic humor to the the larger context, if you know the context.



In talking around Fairfield about this with others here I was surprised finding another friend of mine here who is on the progressive side of wanting things to work out here for TM and the movement who also has been active as an aide and advisor to Hagelin and is also retained to work for another Raja, this person is now in this same administrative deferment with an expired Dome badge from last December.


Some thing evidently is going on with some tightening of Dome badge renewals in Fairfield. An old meditator/TM teacher who has long been a regular attender of the group meditation in the Domes who I know from Fairfield Quaker Meeting is being turned out and cast off from his long communal affiliation with TM as the result. Meanwhile the Dome meditation numbers are themselves left spare.



As it turns out, my current badge to be in the Dome meditation and also go to our movement meetings expired yesterday.


I had been re-admitted the Dome meditation three years ago on an exemption to the TM anti-saint policies in a process conducted then by John Hagelin, an exemption which read that I was, 1. Free to see saints for reasons of my health and 2. Be in the Dome program so long as I was not practicing other spiritual practices in the Dome. Simple.


Administratively now they let my badge go fallow yesterday. I am no longer valid in the TM community with the passing of the last day of February. I had re-applied to update my badge sticker about 5 weeks ago and was told it normally does not take long and they would get back to me by phone or e-mail. Effectively I am now a TM movement no-badge-nik.


Reduced in rank again, to just 'meditator' in Fairfield, Iowa,
JaiGuruDev,
-Buck





salyavin808 writes:


I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still.


Maybe it's an old thing, and it's not an issue anymore, and that would be a good thing. Otherwise, show the photo.

I don't get it, what have I missed?

It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.





I'd like to know how much of an issue it is still. I bet TM teachers are still taught to be fiercely protective of the "knowledge" lest it gets diluted by contact with inferior memes.




Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg

Yogic Flying (TM) - banned from the Domes http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg This is a fictive dialogue, fashioned according to real proceedings in the Transcendental Meditation movement.



View on www.youtube.com http://youtu.be/kiKZjq0vTWg
Preview by Yahoo





***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.










It's Ammachis swami, the main guy in Ammachis organization. For some time at least, people seeing other Guru's or Ma's , where punished by withdrawing their dome badges, and Buck has been ranting about these restrictive policies for ages. Now all these Indian gurus are having this harmonic get together, as if they are just friends.


aryavazhi wrote:


Show them this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

































































The typical ad hominem:

(an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


turquoiseb writes :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?

richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 15:36:47 UTC
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So, you believe Rama could move the stars around and shift whole constellations and draw smiley faces with them", but Buck needs to have a brain scan? Go figure.

"I've seen him -- so help me -- move the fucking stars around in the sky, shift whole constellations, draw smiley faces with them." - TurquoiseB

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I have to ask -- is anyone else here worried that Buck either has dementia or a brain tumor? The *language* in his posts is near-incomprehensible, barely English any more. And he clearly has no idea that this is the case.


Am I alone in noticing this?


Buck, forget the "checking." I think it's time for you to get a brain scan. Seriously.

From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



These kinds of depressions in spiritual aperture of experience,
this kind of 'dark night' testimony you relate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This sounds simply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression in aperture that was endured.


Practically taking exercise in a walk, possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking at the physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means to help let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thing taking extended walks at the time.
Also, I feel we should not just discount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocating here. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of the illumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems to indicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise, watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them. :-)



Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa




salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..









---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 14:15:53 UTC
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Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people.
Good luck finding any - all those who claim to be usually wind up stealing all the money and screwing as many of their followers as they can.

From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..

  These kinds of depressions in spiritualaperture of experience, this kind of 'dark night' testimony yourelate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This soundssimply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression inaperture that was endured. 
Practically taking exercise in a walk,possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking atthe physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means tohelp let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thingtaking extended walks at the time.  Also, I feel we should not justdiscount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocatinghere. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems toindicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise,watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck inFairfield, Iowa

***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them.  :-)

 Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gottenyour meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker oreven an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in toa Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


salyavin808 shares:

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.






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TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-04 14:34:07 UTC
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From: "Michael Jackson ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

"Buck" -- Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people.
Good luck finding any - all those who claim to be usually wind up stealing all the money and screwing as many of their followers as they can.

I'm pretty sure that what "Buck" is trying to imply is that *he* is one of these illumined, saint-like, wise, or holy people that "real" meditators should keep company with. That's his fantasy about himself.

It's too bad for him that no one buys this, and instead they treat him like the senile old crank he's turned into. IMO, what he is really pissed off about is that he wants to be perceived as and treated as if he is wise, and instead people perceive him as a panicky old elitist terrified that his world is crumbling around him and treat him accordingly.
For the record, this is not an ad hominem insult. This is how I really see him, based on his posts here for years. I'm pretty sure that we're seeing lately since his dome badge has been yanked is just the start of a long, slippery slope into incoherence. It's too bad, too. He *could* have been an interesting voice on Fairfield Life, if he hadn't made the choice to hide behind a fake persona and spout nonsense that even he doesn't believe.    



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
  These kinds of depressions in spiritualaperture of experience, this kind of 'dark night' testimony yourelate is not unknown in spiritual life and practice. This soundssimply like some time of acedia or a kind of spiritual depression inaperture that was endured. 
Practically taking exercise in a walk,possibly for 50 minutes as modern science does indicate by looking atthe physiology of mental well-being, is not a bad idea in means tohelp let these times pass. I feel like you proly did a right thingtaking extended walks at the time.  Also, I feel we should not justdiscount deeper spiritual processes entirely like some are advocatinghere. Brahmananda Saraswati counseled keeping the company of theillumined, saints, wise or holy people. The science seems toindicate this now too, like what one's grandmother who would advise,watch the company you keep. Is a good lesson in life. -Buck inFairfield, Iowa

***@...> wrote :

Advice to take with a grain of sand, Sal. Based on many of Buck's previous rants FFL, I think we have to assume that "un-re-cert" is synonymous with "quitter". You wouldn't want to entrust your spiritual future to one of them.  :-)

 Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gottenyour meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker oreven an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in toa Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


salyavin808 shares:

It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.
My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning. 
This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..



 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?

I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.








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salyavin808
2015-03-04 16:28:18 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ohm no Sal, No. You could've gotten your meditation checked. You know, sit with a meditation checker or even an un-re-cert teacher if you could not have found your way in to a Peace Palace near you. There are a lot of un-re-certs everywhere who would be capable of checking meditation if asked.
-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa


It was too late for a checking Buck-not-in-the-Dome, it was more a philosophical and scientific realisation that the TMSP was a big fat waste of time. Like discovering a story book you loved when you were 5 and realising that your personal growth in the intervening years didn't reveal a deepened plot and enriched characters, but rather that you had been looking at a rather glib and pointless fable with nothing you would recommend to anyone unless they were absolute beginners at reading.


Sometimes it's OK to stop doing things that you realise have no value, in fact it's got to be an important lesson to listen to yourself and decide whether you really are getting what was promised, to live in hope is all very well but it keeps you away from enjoying what is going on now.



salyavin808 shares:



It was a long time coming. Just sitting there and looking at all the twitching and hopping about I sudden; saw it from an objective viewpoint rather than as an insider and realised it was all a load of crap and we were kidding ourselves. What has been seen can never be unseen I'm afraid, and once you've looked at it like that there aint no going back.


My Skem friends didn't mind. I didn't tell them I'd given it up or why at the time, I just didn't go back to the dome, and instead took walks in the woods in the morning.


This was the thing that I never liked about the TMSP, the amount of time it takes out of your day. From the very beginning I resented the lack of quality time I could spend out cycling etc. That was one of the reasons I moved in to the academy, because the day was built round the TMSP and I could still feel like I wasn't just a hermit with a job.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they Withdraw your Dome badge again, Buck..






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Sal were you still living in a Movement facility when you stopped TMSP or had you already left the place?




I had left the employ of the movement and was on a course in the dome in Skem when I had the revelation that it really was just a big fat waste of time. I just folded up my blanket and walked out. Never looked back, not for a second.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-27 13:09:58 UTC
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King Tony, "seeing other teachers."  :-)
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

I don't get it, what have I missed?
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.

 



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salyavin808
2015-02-27 17:17:36 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

King Tony, "seeing other teachers." :-)


Oh yeah, got it. A big no-no. Unless you give a lecture about how much better our teachings are. Which doesn't seem to be happening here...

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>


I don't get it, what have I missed?

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Show the this picture. Best carry it always with you, and show it as necessary.
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-27 16:53:41 UTC
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How does it feel to be an old fart now (as of the 10th)?
Post by salyavin808
I don't get it, what have I missed?
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salyavin808
2015-03-03 11:38:39 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

How does it feel to be an old fart now (as of the 10th)?


I was going to respond to this earlier but I forgot, must be a sign of approaching dementia.


My typing is getting worse too, with seemingly more typos to correct every day. And all these silver hairs collecting under the keyboard don't help.


Still, it's a nice day here so I can sit outside with a blanket over my legs and drink my Horlicks.


On 02/27/2015 05:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



I don't get it, what have I missed?
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 11:45:19 UTC
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

How does it feel to be an old fart now(as of the 10th)?
I was going to respond to this earlier but I forgot, must be a sign of approaching dementia.
My typing is getting worse too, with seemingly more typos to correct every day. And all these silver hairs collecting under the keyboard don't help.
Still, it's a nice day here so I can sit outside with a blanket over my legs and drink my Horlicks.
To prevent Michael from having another "What on earth is a Horlicks?" moment with Britishisms, it's not an act performed by a lady of the evening but a type of malted milk beverage. Think Ovaltine.

Young Frankenstein - Ovaltine

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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-03-03 12:46:46 UTC
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ThanksTurq - I just assumed it was some early Dr. Who reference.

From: "TurquoiseBee ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If they withdraw your dome badge again, Buck..

  From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

How does it feel to be an old fart now(as of the 10th)?
I was going to respond to this earlier but I forgot, must be a sign of approaching dementia.
My typing is getting worse too, with seemingly more typos to correct every day. And all these silver hairs collecting under the keyboard don't help.
Still, it's a nice day here so I can sit outside with a blanket over my legs and drink my Horlicks.
To prevent Michael from having another "What on earth is a Horlicks?" moment with Britishisms, it's not an act performed by a lady of the evening but a type of malted milk beverage. Think Ovaltine.

Young Frankenstein - Ovaltine

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Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-27 14:03:21 UTC
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Oh, but he difference(excuse) will be that they are meeting as *equals*.
  From: aryavazhi <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] If they withdraw your dome badge again, Buck..

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