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emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view?

Salon
Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC
The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty
Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough
Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300


It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump.
Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.


But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways.


In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.”


I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said:
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. [
] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”


You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed.


Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways:
The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”


Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border.


The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words can be used against anyone.
For example, on October 7, at a Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton answered the question: “Which enemy are you most proud of?” She replied: “In addition to the NRA, um, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, um, the Iranians.”
If you do to her what the media did to Trump, then you should believe that Hillary Clinton is proud to be the enemy of 77 million citizens of Iran, plus millions more living outside Iran, including mothers, children, and disabled people. But that’s not what she meant.


On November 6, at the MSNBC Democratic Candidates Forum, Bernie Sanders said: “we have to pass a constitutional amendment that everyone in America who is 18 years old or older is registered to vote.” He said everyone. Someone might then write: “He proposed that everyone who is in the U.S. should vote, everyone who is 18, even illegal immigrants, tourists, and terrorists.” But that’s not what he meant.


It is no wonder that many people think the media is grossly dishonest. No wonder Mr. Trump’s critiques of the media make his followers cheer.


Trump was discussing crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Is it true that some people who illegally cross the border from Mexico are good? Yes. Is it true that some others commit crimes? Yes. Is that a problem? People disagree. Some conjecture that unauthorized immigrants don’t commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. But crimes by unauthorized immigrants, even murders, would not have happened if those individuals had not entered the U.S.


Time for a disclosure. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. Spanish is my first language. I voted for Obama. I live in liberal Austin, Texas, where I work as a tenured professor of history. I’ve never voted for a Republican. My preferred candidate for U.S. president would be Elizabeth Warren. Since she is not running, my preferred candidate is Bernie Sanders.


Anyhow, discussions about illegal immigration are ruined by lack of data. I asked my friends, university faculty: “How many people do you think are deported per year in the U.S.?”


One of my friends guessed 3,000. Another guessed 10,000. Another guessed 50,000—which would really be a lot of people, imagine.


Actually, in fiscal year 2014, the U.S. deported a total of 893,238 https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-releases-end-year-statistics foreigners! That’s a huge number. It includes 577,295 deported by the Department of Homeland Security, plus 315,943 deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Among the latter, 2,802 were classified as suspected or confirmed gang members.


Since 1990, the average is 1.2 million deportations per year. The highest in U.S. history https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table39_0.xls was 1.86 million foreigners deported in the year 2000. That’s astonishing.
How many were criminals?


We don’t know because most criminals are not caught. Plus, many who are accused are not convicted because of a lack of evidence. Still, in 2014, the U.S. deported 177,960 convicted criminals. Surprisingly, 91,037 https://www.ice.gov/removal-statisticswere already convicted criminals before they even entered the U.S.


At the University of Texas at Austin, the football stadium can seat 100,119 people. I have seen it full. I’ve see more than 100,000 people at once—it’s an incredible sight. It’s a staggering swarm of people. I have seen them yelling all at once.
It is utterly astonishing to me that this stadium would fail to seat all the convicted criminals deported in a single year.


Back to Mr. Trump. Did he unfairly single out Mexicans when complaining about crimes by unauthorized immigrants?


By far, most Mexicans are good people. However, since Mexico shares a large frontier with the U.S., and many Mexicans face economic hardships, most of the reported illegal immigration into the U.S. is from Mexico. Accordingly, in recent years roughly 76% of criminal unauthorized immigrants https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table41d.xls are from Mexico.


What kinds of crime? It is strangely difficult to find national statistics on homicides, sexual assaults, and thefts, by unauthorized immigrants. But there is relevant data for some states.


The Texas Department of Public Safety identified 207,076 https://minutemanproject.com/3089-homicides-by-illegal-immigrants-since-2008-in-texas/ foreign aliens who were booked into Texas county jails from October 2008 through August 1, 2014. Their term “foreign aliens” includes both foreigners who are in Texas legally and foreigners who entered illegally. They were accused of 357,884 crimes in those 70 months, including these charges: 4,413 terroristic threats, 60,973 robberies and larcenies, 6,636 vehicle thefts, 78,682 assaults, 12,869 sexual assaults and offenses, 1,113 kidnapping, and 3,089 homicides.


That includes, an average of 1,383 charges of sexual assaults per year, in Texas alone. The real number of rapes and sexual assaults is larger since many victims do not report these crimes. According to the National Crime and Victimization Survey, 2008-2012, approximately 68% https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates of sexual assault crimes are not reported. So I estimate that foreigners commit roughly 4,000 sexual assaults in Texas each year.
In Texas, roughly 529 foreigners per year were accused of committing murder. Plus, the FBI reports that 36% http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved of homicides nationwide remain unsolved.


These crime rates are staggering and offensive. None of the women and men who were killed in by unauthorized immigrants in Texas would have died if the murderers had not entered the U.S. illegally.


These are not just words. Pause for a moment to think about a Texas woman whose husband was murdered one night. Think about parents who never saw their son again because he was murdered. Think of the thousands of families standing at the cemeteries.


I’ve only summarized murders and sexual assaults. Consider drugs and drug violence. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs come from Mexico, including most cocaine and heroine. Most methamphetamines also are smuggled from Mexico. The 2015 National Drug Threat Survey finds that methamphetamines are the drugs that most contribute to property crimes and violent crimes. You get the point. There are tremendous problems of drugs, murders, and rapes caused at the porous border.


Without knowing the data, it was easy to be offended by Mr. Trump’s crude words when he announced his candidacy. However, seeing the data above, I understand his concerns.


Here’s what Trump said right after his words quoted above:
“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”


We can disagree about some points. Is the Mexican government really sending criminals to the U.S.? On July 5, Trump said: “The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” This claim might be false if Mexico does not intentionally send criminals to the US. At its best, this statement seems plausible if Trump meant that conditions generated in Mexico by its government lead some criminals to the U.S.
In any case, Trump proposes to secure the southern border by implementing various security measures. His most recurring proposal is to build a wall, along areas of the border lacking natural barriers.


His proposal has been widely criticized. Some people construed it as a sign of racism, xenophobia, etc. However, I can understand why many of Trump’s followers actually cheer: “Build the Wall! Build the Wall!”


First, there are the worries about murders, drugs, crimes, and terrorism. Presently, countless many unauthorized immigrants walk into the country, unchecked. In fiscal year 2014, the Border Patrol made 468,407 apprehensions along the southwest border. By comparison, the Border Patrol only made 18,244 apprehensions in all other regions.


But one point sticks in my mind. Namely this: there already exist a long series of fences and walls between Mexico and the U.S. These fences and walls span parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. As of early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 652 miles of fences and walls. Trump did not build all that. It was mandated by Congress. Walls are common along many countries’ borders, such as Spain, China, France, Greece, Pakistan, Israel, etc. The border between the U.S. and Mexico spans roughly 1,950 miles. Trump wants a wall that will be 1,000 miles long, including areas already covered.


I’m not trying to convince you about a wall. My point is just that it’s neither impossible nor ridiculous. A main reason why many border areas have fences instead of walls is just that walls are more expensive.


Trump says that everyone who didn’t enter the U.S. legally should return to their countries. “They have to go.” We might well disagree. But his view is closer to Immigration law. If you prefer amnesty then lawmakers have to create a law to that effect. Trump insists: “I want people to come in, but they have to come in legally.”
Regardless, countless many people think that Trump is racist against Mexicans. I suggest that anyone who thinks that should count how many times Trump has praised Mexicans.

Most unauthorized immigrants are good people. But still, the media wrongly blamed Mr. Trump for their own misrepresentations.
More Alberto A. Martinez.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-24 14:29:51 UTC
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Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view?

Salon
Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC
The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty
Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough
Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300


It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump.
Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.


But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways.


In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.”


I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said:
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. [
] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”


You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed.


Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways:
The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”


Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border.


The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words can be used against anyone.
For example, on October 7, at a Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton answered the question: “Which enemy are you most proud of?” She replied: “In addition to the NRA, um, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, um, the Iranians.”
If you do to her what the media did to Trump, then you should believe that Hillary Clinton is proud to be the enemy of 77 million citizens of Iran, plus millions more living outside Iran, including mothers, children, and disabled people. But that’s not what she meant.


On November 6, at the MSNBC Democratic Candidates Forum, Bernie Sanders said: “we have to pass a constitutional amendment that everyone in America who is 18 years old or older is registered to vote.” He said everyone. Someone might then write: “He proposed that everyone who is in the U.S. should vote, everyone who is 18, even illegal immigrants, tourists, and terrorists.” But that’s not what he meant.


It is no wonder that many people think the media is grossly dishonest. No wonder Mr. Trump’s critiques of the media make his followers cheer.


Trump was discussing crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Is it true that some people who illegally cross the border from Mexico are good? Yes. Is it true that some others commit crimes? Yes. Is that a problem? People disagree. Some conjecture that unauthorized immigrants don’t commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. But crimes by unauthorized immigrants, even murders, would not have happened if those individuals had not entered the U.S.


Time for a disclosure. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. Spanish is my first language. I voted for Obama. I live in liberal Austin, Texas, where I work as a tenured professor of history. I’ve never voted for a Republican. My preferred candidate for U.S. president would be Elizabeth Warren. Since she is not running, my preferred candidate is Bernie Sanders.


Anyhow, discussions about illegal immigration are ruined by lack of data. I asked my friends, university faculty: “How many people do you think are deported per year in the U.S.?”


One of my friends guessed 3,000. Another guessed 10,000. Another guessed 50,000—which would really be a lot of people, imagine.


Actually, in fiscal year 2014, the U.S. deported a total of 893,238 https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-releases-end-year-statistics foreigners! That’s a huge number. It includes 577,295 deported by the Department of Homeland Security, plus 315,943 deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Among the latter, 2,802 were classified as suspected or confirmed gang members.


Since 1990, the average is 1.2 million deportations per year. The highest in U.S. history https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table39_0.xls was 1.86 million foreigners deported in the year 2000. That’s astonishing.
How many were criminals?


We don’t know because most criminals are not caught. Plus, many who are accused are not convicted because of a lack of evidence. Still, in 2014, the U.S. deported 177,960 convicted criminals. Surprisingly, 91,037 https://www.ice.gov/removal-statisticswere already convicted criminals before they even entered the U.S.


At the University of Texas at Austin, the football stadium can seat 100,119 people. I have seen it full. I’ve see more than 100,000 people at once—it’s an incredible sight. It’s a staggering swarm of people. I have seen them yelling all at once.
It is utterly astonishing to me that this stadium would fail to seat all the convicted criminals deported in a single year.


Back to Mr. Trump. Did he unfairly single out Mexicans when complaining about crimes by unauthorized immigrants?


By far, most Mexicans are good people. However, since Mexico shares a large frontier with the U.S., and many Mexicans face economic hardships, most of the reported illegal immigration into the U.S. is from Mexico. Accordingly, in recent years roughly 76% of criminal unauthorized immigrants https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table41d.xls are from Mexico.


What kinds of crime? It is strangely difficult to find national statistics on homicides, sexual assaults, and thefts, by unauthorized immigrants. But there is relevant data for some states.


The Texas Department of Public Safety identified 207,076 https://minutemanproject.com/3089-homicides-by-illegal-immigrants-since-2008-in-texas/ foreign aliens who were booked into Texas county jails from October 2008 through August 1, 2014. Their term “foreign aliens” includes both foreigners who are in Texas legally and foreigners who entered illegally. They were accused of 357,884 crimes in those 70 months, including these charges: 4,413 terroristic threats, 60,973 robberies and larcenies, 6,636 vehicle thefts, 78,682 assaults, 12,869 sexual assaults and offenses, 1,113 kidnapping, and 3,089 homicides.


That includes, an average of 1,383 charges of sexual assaults per year, in Texas alone. The real number of rapes and sexual assaults is larger since many victims do not report these crimes. According to the National Crime and Victimization Survey, 2008-2012, approximately 68% https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates of sexual assault crimes are not reported. So I estimate that foreigners commit roughly 4,000 sexual assaults in Texas each year.
In Texas, roughly 529 foreigners per year were accused of committing murder. Plus, the FBI reports that 36% http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved of homicides nationwide remain unsolved.


These crime rates are staggering and offensive. None of the women and men who were killed in by unauthorized immigrants in Texas would have died if the murderers had not entered the U.S. illegally.


These are not just words. Pause for a moment to think about a Texas woman whose husband was murdered one night. Think about parents who never saw their son again because he was murdered. Think of the thousands of families standing at the cemeteries.


I’ve only summarized murders and sexual assaults. Consider drugs and drug violence. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs come from Mexico, including most cocaine and heroine. Most methamphetamines also are smuggled from Mexico. The 2015 National Drug Threat Survey http://www.dea.gov/docs/2015%20NDTA%20Report.pdf finds that methamphetamines are the drugs that most contribute to property crimes and violent crimes. You get the point. There are tremendous problems of drugs, murders, and rapes caused at the porous border.


Without knowing the data, it was easy to be offended by Mr. Trump’s crude words when he announced his candidacy. However, seeing the data above, I understand his concerns.


Here’s what Trump said right after his words quoted above:
“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”


We can disagree about some points. Is the Mexican government really sending criminals to the U.S.? On July 5, Trump said: “The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” This claim might be false if Mexico does not intentionally send criminals to the US. At its best, this statement seems plausible if Trump meant that conditions generated in Mexico by its government lead some criminals to the U.S.
In any case, Trump proposes to secure the southern border by implementing various security measures. His most recurring proposal is to build a wall, along areas of the border lacking natural barriers.


His proposal has been widely criticized. Some people construed it as a sign of racism, xenophobia, etc. However, I can understand why many of Trump’s followers actually cheer: “Build the Wall! Build the Wall!”


First, there are the worries about murders, drugs, crimes, and terrorism. Presently, countless many unauthorized immigrants walk into the country, unchecked. In fiscal year 2014, the Border Patrol made 468,407 apprehensions along the southwest border. By comparison, the Border Patrol only made 18,244 apprehensions in all other regions.


But one point sticks in my mind. Namely this: there already exist a long series of fences and walls between Mexico and the U.S. These fences and walls span parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. As of early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 652 miles of fences and walls. Trump did not build all that. It was mandated by Congress. Walls are common along many countries’ borders, such as Spain, China, France, Greece, Pakistan, Israel, etc. The border between the U.S. and Mexico spans roughly 1,950 miles. Trump wants a wall that will be 1,000 miles long, including areas already covered.


I’m not trying to convince you about a wall. My point is just that it’s neither impossible nor ridiculous. A main reason why many border areas have fences instead of walls is just that walls are more expensive.


Trump says that everyone who didn’t enter the U.S. legally should return to their countries. “They have to go.” We might well disagree. But his view is closer to Immigration law. If you prefer amnesty then lawmakers have to create a law to that effect. Trump insists: “I want people to come in, but they have to come in legally.”
Regardless, countless many people think that Trump is racist against Mexicans. I suggest that anyone who thinks that should count how many times Trump has praised Mexicans.

Most unauthorized immigrants are good people. But still, the media wrongly blamed Mr. Trump for their own misrepresentations.
More Alberto A. Martinez.


Trump is a narcissistic baby who has a mind as small as his ego is big. He is interested only in "winning" attention, accolades and being able, in the end, to stand on a mountain of bodies consisting of his competitors and beating his pathetic chest and trumpeting his greatness to anyone stupid enough to listen. I don't need any stinkin' professor to tell me Mr Trump has been misinterpreted and misrepresented. The guy is who he is and he's a waste of space.
emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-24 16:04:57 UTC
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HEAR HEAR! He is *exactly* who he presents himself as. He has no principles (none of merit, anyhow)! And that's the truth, and you can believe me....because......I made a lot of money and everyone likes me and you are disgusting.


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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view?

Salon
Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC
The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty
Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough
Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300


It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump.
Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.


But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways.


In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.”


I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said:
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. [
] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”


You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed.


Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways:
The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”


Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border.


The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words can be used against anyone.
For example, on October 7, at a Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton answered the question: “Which enemy are you most proud of?” She replied: “In addition to the NRA, um, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, um, the Iranians.”
If you do to her what the media did to Trump, then you should believe that Hillary Clinton is proud to be the enemy of 77 million citizens of Iran, plus millions more living outside Iran, including mothers, children, and disabled people. But that’s not what she meant.


On November 6, at the MSNBC Democratic Candidates Forum, Bernie Sanders said: “we have to pass a constitutional amendment that everyone in America who is 18 years old or older is registered to vote.” He said everyone. Someone might then write: “He proposed that everyone who is in the U.S. should vote, everyone who is 18, even illegal immigrants, tourists, and terrorists.” But that’s not what he meant.


It is no wonder that many people think the media is grossly dishonest. No wonder Mr. Trump’s critiques of the media make his followers cheer.


Trump was discussing crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Is it true that some people who illegally cross the border from Mexico are good? Yes. Is it true that some others commit crimes? Yes. Is that a problem? People disagree. Some conjecture that unauthorized immigrants don’t commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. But crimes by unauthorized immigrants, even murders, would not have happened if those individuals had not entered the U.S.


Time for a disclosure. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. Spanish is my first language. I voted for Obama. I live in liberal Austin, Texas, where I work as a tenured professor of history. I’ve never voted for a Republican. My preferred candidate for U.S. president would be Elizabeth Warren. Since she is not running, my preferred candidate is Bernie Sanders.


Anyhow, discussions about illegal immigration are ruined by lack of data. I asked my friends, university faculty: “How many people do you think are deported per year in the U.S.?”


One of my friends guessed 3,000. Another guessed 10,000. Another guessed 50,000—which would really be a lot of people, imagine.


Actually, in fiscal year 2014, the U.S. deported a total of 893,238 https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-releases-end-year-statistics foreigners! That’s a huge number. It includes 577,295 deported by the Department of Homeland Security, plus 315,943 deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Among the latter, 2,802 were classified as suspected or confirmed gang members.


Since 1990, the average is 1.2 million deportations per year. The highest in U.S. history https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table39_0.xls was 1.86 million foreigners deported in the year 2000. That’s astonishing.
How many were criminals?


We don’t know because most criminals are not caught. Plus, many who are accused are not convicted because of a lack of evidence. Still, in 2014, the U.S. deported 177,960 convicted criminals. Surprisingly, 91,037 https://www.ice.gov/removal-statisticswere already convicted criminals before they even entered the U.S.


At the University of Texas at Austin, the football stadium can seat 100,119 people. I have seen it full. I’ve see more than 100,000 people at once—it’s an incredible sight. It’s a staggering swarm of people. I have seen them yelling all at once.
It is utterly astonishing to me that this stadium would fail to seat all the convicted criminals deported in a single year.


Back to Mr. Trump. Did he unfairly single out Mexicans when complaining about crimes by unauthorized immigrants?


By far, most Mexicans are good people. However, since Mexico shares a large frontier with the U.S., and many Mexicans face economic hardships, most of the reported illegal immigration into the U.S. is from Mexico. Accordingly, in recent years roughly 76% of criminal unauthorized immigrants https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table41d.xls are from Mexico.


What kinds of crime? It is strangely difficult to find national statistics on homicides, sexual assaults, and thefts, by unauthorized immigrants. But there is relevant data for some states.


The Texas Department of Public Safety identified 207,076 https://minutemanproject.com/3089-homicides-by-illegal-immigrants-since-2008-in-texas/ foreign aliens who were booked into Texas county jails from October 2008 through August 1, 2014. Their term “foreign aliens” includes both foreigners who are in Texas legally and foreigners who entered illegally. They were accused of 357,884 crimes in those 70 months, including these charges: 4,413 terroristic threats, 60,973 robberies and larcenies, 6,636 vehicle thefts, 78,682 assaults, 12,869 sexual assaults and offenses, 1,113 kidnapping, and 3,089 homicides.


That includes, an average of 1,383 charges of sexual assaults per year, in Texas alone. The real number of rapes and sexual assaults is larger since many victims do not report these crimes. According to the National Crime and Victimization Survey, 2008-2012, approximately 68% https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates of sexual assault crimes are not reported. So I estimate that foreigners commit roughly 4,000 sexual assaults in Texas each year.
In Texas, roughly 529 foreigners per year were accused of committing murder. Plus, the FBI reports that 36% http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved of homicides nationwide remain unsolved.


These crime rates are staggering and offensive. None of the women and men who were killed in by unauthorized immigrants in Texas would have died if the murderers had not entered the U.S. illegally.


These are not just words. Pause for a moment to think about a Texas woman whose husband was murdered one night. Think about parents who never saw their son again because he was murdered. Think of the thousands of families standing at the cemeteries.


I’ve only summarized murders and sexual assaults. Consider drugs and drug violence. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs come from Mexico, including most cocaine and heroine. Most methamphetamines also are smuggled from Mexico. The 2015 National Drug Threat Survey http://www.dea.gov/docs/2015%20NDTA%20Report.pdf finds that methamphetamines are the drugs that most contribute to property crimes and violent crimes. You get the point. There are tremendous problems of drugs, murders, and rapes caused at the porous border.


Without knowing the data, it was easy to be offended by Mr. Trump’s crude words when he announced his candidacy. However, seeing the data above, I understand his concerns.


Here’s what Trump said right after his words quoted above:
“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”


We can disagree about some points. Is the Mexican government really sending criminals to the U.S.? On July 5, Trump said: “The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” This claim might be false if Mexico does not intentionally send criminals to the US. At its best, this statement seems plausible if Trump meant that conditions generated in Mexico by its government lead some criminals to the U.S.
In any case, Trump proposes to secure the southern border by implementing various security measures. His most recurring proposal is to build a wall, along areas of the border lacking natural barriers.


His proposal has been widely criticized. Some people construed it as a sign of racism, xenophobia, etc. However, I can understand why many of Trump’s followers actually cheer: “Build the Wall! Build the Wall!”


First, there are the worries about murders, drugs, crimes, and terrorism. Presently, countless many unauthorized immigrants walk into the country, unchecked. In fiscal year 2014, the Border Patrol made 468,407 apprehensions along the southwest border. By comparison, the Border Patrol only made 18,244 apprehensions in all other regions.


But one point sticks in my mind. Namely this: there already exist a long series of fences and walls between Mexico and the U.S. These fences and walls span parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. As of early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 652 miles of fences and walls. Trump did not build all that. It was mandated by Congress. Walls are common along many countries’ borders, such as Spain, China, France, Greece, Pakistan, Israel, etc. The border between the U.S. and Mexico spans roughly 1,950 miles. Trump wants a wall that will be 1,000 miles long, including areas already covered.


I’m not trying to convince you about a wall. My point is just that it’s neither impossible nor ridiculous. A main reason why many border areas have fences instead of walls is just that walls are more expensive.


Trump says that everyone who didn’t enter the U.S. legally should return to their countries. “They have to go.” We might well disagree. But his view is closer to Immigration law. If you prefer amnesty then lawmakers have to create a law to that effect. Trump insists: “I want people to come in, but they have to come in legally.”
Regardless, countless many people think that Trump is racist against Mexicans. I suggest that anyone who thinks that should count how many times Trump has praised Mexicans.

Most unauthorized immigrants are good people. But still, the media wrongly blamed Mr. Trump for their own misrepresentations.
More Alberto A. Martinez.


Trump is a narcissistic baby who has a mind as small as his ego is big. He is interested only in "winning" attention, accolades and being able, in the end, to stand on a mountain of bodies consisting of his competitors and beating his pathetic chest and trumpeting his greatness to anyone stupid enough to listen. I don't need any stinkin' professor to tell me Mr Trump has been misinterpreted and misrepresented. The guy is who he is and he's a waste of space.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-24 16:29:40 UTC
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HEAR HEAR! He is *exactly* who he presents himself as. He has no principles (none of merit, anyhow)! And that's the truth, and you can believe me....because......I made a lot of money and everyone likes me and you are disgusting.


Empty says he doesn't know "what his principles are"? Of course you do, Pants. Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.


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Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view?

Salon
Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC
The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty
Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough
Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300


It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump.
Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.


But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways.


In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.”


I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said:
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. [
] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”


You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed.


Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways:
The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”


Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border.


The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words can be used against anyone.
For example, on October 7, at a Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton answered the question: “Which enemy are you most proud of?” She replied: “In addition to the NRA, um, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, um, the Iranians.”
If you do to her what the media did to Trump, then you should believe that Hillary Clinton is proud to be the enemy of 77 million citizens of Iran, plus millions more living outside Iran, including mothers, children, and disabled people. But that’s not what she meant.


On November 6, at the MSNBC Democratic Candidates Forum, Bernie Sanders said: “we have to pass a constitutional amendment that everyone in America who is 18 years old or older is registered to vote.” He said everyone. Someone might then write: “He proposed that everyone who is in the U.S. should vote, everyone who is 18, even illegal immigrants, tourists, and terrorists.” But that’s not what he meant.


It is no wonder that many people think the media is grossly dishonest. No wonder Mr. Trump’s critiques of the media make his followers cheer.


Trump was discussing crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Is it true that some people who illegally cross the border from Mexico are good? Yes. Is it true that some others commit crimes? Yes. Is that a problem? People disagree. Some conjecture that unauthorized immigrants don’t commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. But crimes by unauthorized immigrants, even murders, would not have happened if those individuals had not entered the U.S.


Time for a disclosure. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. Spanish is my first language. I voted for Obama. I live in liberal Austin, Texas, where I work as a tenured professor of history. I’ve never voted for a Republican. My preferred candidate for U.S. president would be Elizabeth Warren. Since she is not running, my preferred candidate is Bernie Sanders.


Anyhow, discussions about illegal immigration are ruined by lack of data. I asked my friends, university faculty: “How many people do you think are deported per year in the U.S.?”


One of my friends guessed 3,000. Another guessed 10,000. Another guessed 50,000—which would really be a lot of people, imagine.


Actually, in fiscal year 2014, the U.S. deported a total of 893,238 https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-releases-end-year-statistics foreigners! That’s a huge number. It includes 577,295 deported by the Department of Homeland Security, plus 315,943 deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Among the latter, 2,802 were classified as suspected or confirmed gang members.


Since 1990, the average is 1.2 million deportations per year. The highest in U.S. history https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table39_0.xls was 1.86 million foreigners deported in the year 2000. That’s astonishing.
How many were criminals?


We don’t know because most criminals are not caught. Plus, many who are accused are not convicted because of a lack of evidence. Still, in 2014, the U.S. deported 177,960 convicted criminals. Surprisingly, 91,037 https://www.ice.gov/removal-statisticswere already convicted criminals before they even entered the U.S.


At the University of Texas at Austin, the football stadium can seat 100,119 people. I have seen it full. I’ve see more than 100,000 people at once—it’s an incredible sight. It’s a staggering swarm of people. I have seen them yelling all at once.
It is utterly astonishing to me that this stadium would fail to seat all the convicted criminals deported in a single year.


Back to Mr. Trump. Did he unfairly single out Mexicans when complaining about crimes by unauthorized immigrants?


By far, most Mexicans are good people. However, since Mexico shares a large frontier with the U.S., and many Mexicans face economic hardships, most of the reported illegal immigration into the U.S. is from Mexico. Accordingly, in recent years roughly 76% of criminal unauthorized immigrants https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table41d.xls are from Mexico.


What kinds of crime? It is strangely difficult to find national statistics on homicides, sexual assaults, and thefts, by unauthorized immigrants. But there is relevant data for some states.


The Texas Department of Public Safety identified 207,076 https://minutemanproject.com/3089-homicides-by-illegal-immigrants-since-2008-in-texas/ foreign aliens who were booked into Texas county jails from October 2008 through August 1, 2014. Their term “foreign aliens” includes both foreigners who are in Texas legally and foreigners who entered illegally. They were accused of 357,884 crimes in those 70 months, including these charges: 4,413 terroristic threats, 60,973 robberies and larcenies, 6,636 vehicle thefts, 78,682 assaults, 12,869 sexual assaults and offenses, 1,113 kidnapping, and 3,089 homicides.


That includes, an average of 1,383 charges of sexual assaults per year, in Texas alone. The real number of rapes and sexual assaults is larger since many victims do not report these crimes. According to the National Crime and Victimization Survey, 2008-2012, approximately 68% https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates of sexual assault crimes are not reported. So I estimate that foreigners commit roughly 4,000 sexual assaults in Texas each year.
In Texas, roughly 529 foreigners per year were accused of committing murder. Plus, the FBI reports that 36% http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved of homicides nationwide remain unsolved.


These crime rates are staggering and offensive. None of the women and men who were killed in by unauthorized immigrants in Texas would have died if the murderers had not entered the U.S. illegally.


These are not just words. Pause for a moment to think about a Texas woman whose husband was murdered one night. Think about parents who never saw their son again because he was murdered. Think of the thousands of families standing at the cemeteries.


I’ve only summarized murders and sexual assaults. Consider drugs and drug violence. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs come from Mexico, including most cocaine and heroine. Most methamphetamines also are smuggled from Mexico. The 2015 National Drug Threat Survey http://www.dea.gov/docs/2015%20NDTA%20Report.pdf finds that methamphetamines are the drugs that most contribute to property crimes and violent crimes. You get the point. There are tremendous problems of drugs, murders, and rapes caused at the porous border.


Without knowing the data, it was easy to be offended by Mr. Trump’s crude words when he announced his candidacy. However, seeing the data above, I understand his concerns.


Here’s what Trump said right after his words quoted above:
“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”


We can disagree about some points. Is the Mexican government really sending criminals to the U.S.? On July 5, Trump said: “The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” This claim might be false if Mexico does not intentionally send criminals to the US. At its best, this statement seems plausible if Trump meant that conditions generated in Mexico by its government lead some criminals to the U.S.
In any case, Trump proposes to secure the southern border by implementing various security measures. His most recurring proposal is to build a wall, along areas of the border lacking natural barriers.


His proposal has been widely criticized. Some people construed it as a sign of racism, xenophobia, etc. However, I can understand why many of Trump’s followers actually cheer: “Build the Wall! Build the Wall!”


First, there are the worries about murders, drugs, crimes, and terrorism. Presently, countless many unauthorized immigrants walk into the country, unchecked. In fiscal year 2014, the Border Patrol made 468,407 apprehensions along the southwest border. By comparison, the Border Patrol only made 18,244 apprehensions in all other regions.


But one point sticks in my mind. Namely this: there already exist a long series of fences and walls between Mexico and the U.S. These fences and walls span parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. As of early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 652 miles of fences and walls. Trump did not build all that. It was mandated by Congress. Walls are common along many countries’ borders, such as Spain, China, France, Greece, Pakistan, Israel, etc. The border between the U.S. and Mexico spans roughly 1,950 miles. Trump wants a wall that will be 1,000 miles long, including areas already covered.


I’m not trying to convince you about a wall. My point is just that it’s neither impossible nor ridiculous. A main reason why many border areas have fences instead of walls is just that walls are more expensive.


Trump says that everyone who didn’t enter the U.S. legally should return to their countries. “They have to go.” We might well disagree. But his view is closer to Immigration law. If you prefer amnesty then lawmakers have to create a law to that effect. Trump insists: “I want people to come in, but they have to come in legally.”
Regardless, countless many people think that Trump is racist against Mexicans. I suggest that anyone who thinks that should count how many times Trump has praised Mexicans.

Most unauthorized immigrants are good people. But still, the media wrongly blamed Mr. Trump for their own misrepresentations.
More Alberto A. Martinez.


Trump is a narcissistic baby who has a mind as small as his ego is big. He is interested only in "winning" attention, accolades and being able, in the end, to stand on a mountain of bodies consisting of his competitors and beating his pathetic chest and trumpeting his greatness to anyone stupid enough to listen. I don't need any stinkin' professor to tell me Mr Trump has been misinterpreted and misrepresented. The guy is who he is and he's a waste of space.
emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-24 17:27:17 UTC
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Which is one reason why I personally think Obama is one of the best presidents we've had in my lifetime!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!


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HEAR HEAR! He is *exactly* who he presents himself as. He has no principles (none of merit, anyhow)! And that's the truth, and you can believe me....because......I made a lot of money and everyone likes me and you are disgusting.


Empty says he doesn't know "what his principles are"? Of course you do, Pants. Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view?

Salon
Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC
The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty
Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough
Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300


It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump.
Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.


But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways.


In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.”


I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said:
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. [
] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”


You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed.


Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways:
The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”


Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border.


The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words can be used against anyone.
For example, on October 7, at a Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton answered the question: “Which enemy are you most proud of?” She replied: “In addition to the NRA, um, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, um, the Iranians.”
If you do to her what the media did to Trump, then you should believe that Hillary Clinton is proud to be the enemy of 77 million citizens of Iran, plus millions more living outside Iran, including mothers, children, and disabled people. But that’s not what she meant.


On November 6, at the MSNBC Democratic Candidates Forum, Bernie Sanders said: “we have to pass a constitutional amendment that everyone in America who is 18 years old or older is registered to vote.” He said everyone. Someone might then write: “He proposed that everyone who is in the U.S. should vote, everyone who is 18, even illegal immigrants, tourists, and terrorists.” But that’s not what he meant.


It is no wonder that many people think the media is grossly dishonest. No wonder Mr. Trump’s critiques of the media make his followers cheer.


Trump was discussing crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Is it true that some people who illegally cross the border from Mexico are good? Yes. Is it true that some others commit crimes? Yes. Is that a problem? People disagree. Some conjecture that unauthorized immigrants don’t commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. But crimes by unauthorized immigrants, even murders, would not have happened if those individuals had not entered the U.S.


Time for a disclosure. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. Spanish is my first language. I voted for Obama. I live in liberal Austin, Texas, where I work as a tenured professor of history. I’ve never voted for a Republican. My preferred candidate for U.S. president would be Elizabeth Warren. Since she is not running, my preferred candidate is Bernie Sanders.


Anyhow, discussions about illegal immigration are ruined by lack of data. I asked my friends, university faculty: “How many people do you think are deported per year in the U.S.?”


One of my friends guessed 3,000. Another guessed 10,000. Another guessed 50,000—which would really be a lot of people, imagine.


Actually, in fiscal year 2014, the U.S. deported a total of 893,238 https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-releases-end-year-statistics foreigners! That’s a huge number. It includes 577,295 deported by the Department of Homeland Security, plus 315,943 deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Among the latter, 2,802 were classified as suspected or confirmed gang members.


Since 1990, the average is 1.2 million deportations per year. The highest in U.S. history https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table39_0.xls was 1.86 million foreigners deported in the year 2000. That’s astonishing.
How many were criminals?


We don’t know because most criminals are not caught. Plus, many who are accused are not convicted because of a lack of evidence. Still, in 2014, the U.S. deported 177,960 convicted criminals. Surprisingly, 91,037 https://www.ice.gov/removal-statisticswere already convicted criminals before they even entered the U.S.


At the University of Texas at Austin, the football stadium can seat 100,119 people. I have seen it full. I’ve see more than 100,000 people at once—it’s an incredible sight. It’s a staggering swarm of people. I have seen them yelling all at once.
It is utterly astonishing to me that this stadium would fail to seat all the convicted criminals deported in a single year.


Back to Mr. Trump. Did he unfairly single out Mexicans when complaining about crimes by unauthorized immigrants?


By far, most Mexicans are good people. However, since Mexico shares a large frontier with the U.S., and many Mexicans face economic hardships, most of the reported illegal immigration into the U.S. is from Mexico. Accordingly, in recent years roughly 76% of criminal unauthorized immigrants https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table41d.xls are from Mexico.


What kinds of crime? It is strangely difficult to find national statistics on homicides, sexual assaults, and thefts, by unauthorized immigrants. But there is relevant data for some states.


The Texas Department of Public Safety identified 207,076 https://minutemanproject.com/3089-homicides-by-illegal-immigrants-since-2008-in-texas/ foreign aliens who were booked into Texas county jails from October 2008 through August 1, 2014. Their term “foreign aliens” includes both foreigners who are in Texas legally and foreigners who entered illegally. They were accused of 357,884 crimes in those 70 months, including these charges: 4,413 terroristic threats, 60,973 robberies and larcenies, 6,636 vehicle thefts, 78,682 assaults, 12,869 sexual assaults and offenses, 1,113 kidnapping, and 3,089 homicides.


That includes, an average of 1,383 charges of sexual assaults per year, in Texas alone. The real number of rapes and sexual assaults is larger since many victims do not report these crimes. According to the National Crime and Victimization Survey, 2008-2012, approximately 68% https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates of sexual assault crimes are not reported. So I estimate that foreigners commit roughly 4,000 sexual assaults in Texas each year.
In Texas, roughly 529 foreigners per year were accused of committing murder. Plus, the FBI reports that 36% http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved of homicides nationwide remain unsolved.


These crime rates are staggering and offensive. None of the women and men who were killed in by unauthorized immigrants in Texas would have died if the murderers had not entered the U.S. illegally.


These are not just words. Pause for a moment to think about a Texas woman whose husband was murdered one night. Think about parents who never saw their son again because he was murdered. Think of the thousands of families standing at the cemeteries.


I’ve only summarized murders and sexual assaults. Consider drugs and drug violence. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs come from Mexico, including most cocaine and heroine. Most methamphetamines also are smuggled from Mexico. The 2015 National Drug Threat Survey http://www.dea.gov/docs/2015%20NDTA%20Report.pdf finds that methamphetamines are the drugs that most contribute to property crimes and violent crimes. You get the point. There are tremendous problems of drugs, murders, and rapes caused at the porous border.


Without knowing the data, it was easy to be offended by Mr. Trump’s crude words when he announced his candidacy. However, seeing the data above, I understand his concerns.


Here’s what Trump said right after his words quoted above:
“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”


We can disagree about some points. Is the Mexican government really sending criminals to the U.S.? On July 5, Trump said: “The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” This claim might be false if Mexico does not intentionally send criminals to the US. At its best, this statement seems plausible if Trump meant that conditions generated in Mexico by its government lead some criminals to the U.S.
In any case, Trump proposes to secure the southern border by implementing various security measures. His most recurring proposal is to build a wall, along areas of the border lacking natural barriers.


His proposal has been widely criticized. Some people construed it as a sign of racism, xenophobia, etc. However, I can understand why many of Trump’s followers actually cheer: “Build the Wall! Build the Wall!”


First, there are the worries about murders, drugs, crimes, and terrorism. Presently, countless many unauthorized immigrants walk into the country, unchecked. In fiscal year 2014, the Border Patrol made 468,407 apprehensions along the southwest border. By comparison, the Border Patrol only made 18,244 apprehensions in all other regions.


But one point sticks in my mind. Namely this: there already exist a long series of fences and walls between Mexico and the U.S. These fences and walls span parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. As of early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 652 miles of fences and walls. Trump did not build all that. It was mandated by Congress. Walls are common along many countries’ borders, such as Spain, China, France, Greece, Pakistan, Israel, etc. The border between the U.S. and Mexico spans roughly 1,950 miles. Trump wants a wall that will be 1,000 miles long, including areas already covered.


I’m not trying to convince you about a wall. My point is just that it’s neither impossible nor ridiculous. A main reason why many border areas have fences instead of walls is just that walls are more expensive.


Trump says that everyone who didn’t enter the U.S. legally should return to their countries. “They have to go.” We might well disagree. But his view is closer to Immigration law. If you prefer amnesty then lawmakers have to create a law to that effect. Trump insists: “I want people to come in, but they have to come in legally.”
Regardless, countless many people think that Trump is racist against Mexicans. I suggest that anyone who thinks that should count how many times Trump has praised Mexicans.

Most unauthorized immigrants are good people. But still, the media wrongly blamed Mr. Trump for their own misrepresentations.
More Alberto A. Martinez.


Trump is a narcissistic baby who has a mind as small as his ego is big. He is interested only in "winning" attention, accolades and being able, in the end, to stand on a mountain of bodies consisting of his competitors and beating his pathetic chest and trumpeting his greatness to anyone stupid enough to listen. I don't need any stinkin' professor to tell me Mr Trump has been misinterpreted and misrepresented. The guy is who he is and he's a waste of space.
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-25 18:47:43 UTC
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Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-25 18:49:46 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.


A Merry Christmas to you too, Pants, and a most prosperous New Year. xxooox
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-25 20:40:55 UTC
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A Merry Christmas to you too, Pants, and a most prosperous New Year. Xxooox


Just for you:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj1tY6J6ffJAhUG6CYKHfrRA-cQtwIILjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0uLI6BnVh6w&usg=AFQjCNEHoz63HV3mYbfqhvoO1M5pDgYdwg&bvm=bv.110151844,d.eWE
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-25 21:17:57 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

A Merry Christmas to you too, Pants, and a most prosperous New Year. Xxooox


Just for you:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj1tY6J6ffJAhUG6CYKHfrRA-cQtwIILjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0uLI6BnVh6w&usg=AFQjCNEHoz63HV3mYbfqhvoO1M5pDgYdwg&bvm=bv.110151844,d.eWE https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj1tY6J6ffJAhUG6CYKHfrRA-cQtwIILjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0uLI6BnVh6w&usg=AFQjCNEHoz63HV3mYbfqhvoO1M5pDgYdwg&bvm=bv.110151844,d.eWE


No I'm in the mood for a hot dog and I don't even eat pork. Here's one for you (I love this).


http://youtu.be/a_426RiwST8
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-25 22:03:30 UTC
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*/A Merry Christmas to you too, Pants, and a most prosperous New Year.
Xxooox/*
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj1tY6J6ffJAhUG6CYKHfrRA-cQtwIILjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0uLI6BnVh6w&usg=AFQjCNEHoz63HV3mYbfqhvoO1M5pDgYdwg&bvm=bv.110151844,d.eWE
No I'm in the mood for a hot dog and I don't even eat pork. Here's one
for you (I love this).
Find a good turkey or chicken wiener then. I don't know what you have
in Canada but Ball Park makes a turkey wiener that is all white meat. I
avoid the lower priced wieners and most poultry ones don't have
nitrites. I don't eat beef but do eat pork and many of the brands are
mixed beef and pork so I go for all pork brats.

Just finished making the smoky egg dip for this afternoon's brouhaha.
It's basically an egg salad with smoke flavoring, Worcestershire and a
little lemon juice added. In fact I wanted to try cheating by getting
some of Safeway's egg salad but they don't always have it in and then
just adding the addition flavoring. Also curried egg salad sandwiches
are quite good.

My relatives love the dip so much no one has any appetite for dinner.
http://youtu.be/a_426RiwST8
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-25 22:44:38 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

On 12/25/2015 01:17 PM, ***@... mailto:***@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:





---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

A Merry Christmas to you too, Pants, and a most prosperous New Year. Xxooox


Just for you:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj1tY6J6ffJAhUG6CYKHfrRA-cQtwIILjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0uLI6BnVh6w&usg=AFQjCNEHoz63HV3mYbfqhvoO1M5pDgYdwg&bvm=bv.110151844,d.eWEhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj1tY6J6ffJAhUG6CYKHfrRA-cQtwIILjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0uLI6BnVh6w&usg=AFQjCNEHoz63HV3mYbfqhvoO1M5pDgYdwg&bvm=bv.110151844,d.eWE https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj1tY6J6ffJAhUG6CYKHfrRA-cQtwIILjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0uLI6BnVh6w&usg=AFQjCNEHoz63HV3mYbfqhvoO1M5pDgYdwg&bvm=bv.110151844,d.eWE


Now I'm in the mood for a hot dog and I don't even eat pork. Here's one for you (I love this).




Find a good turkey or chicken wiener then. I don't know what you have in Canada but Ball Park makes a turkey wiener that is all white meat. I avoid the lower priced wieners and most poultry ones don't have nitrites. I don't eat beef but do eat pork and many of the brands are mixed beef and pork so I go for all pork brats. Thanks for the tip. Hot dogs smell great and I'll have a turkey dog or chicken dog but haven't for a long time. Tofu dogs aren't that great.
Just finished making the smoky egg dip for this afternoon's brouhaha. It's basically an egg salad with smoke flavoring, Worcestershire and a little lemon juice added. In fact I wanted to try cheating by getting some of Safeway's egg salad but they don't always have it in and then just adding the addition flavoring. Also curried egg salad sandwiches are quite good. I concur on the curried egg salad - yum. Have a delicious dinner and all the best to you B2.
My relatives love the dip so much no one has any appetite for dinner.



http://youtu.be/a_426RiwST8 http://youtu.be/a_426RiwST8
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 04:20:58 UTC
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The Black Keys are have great tunes - one of the few male Indie/Alt groups I can listen to at all.
Indie/Alts are full of interesting women to listen to though ... lots of them.
Ordinary rock/blues I find utterly boring ... completely unoriginal formula muzak.

However yer a turncoat 'smear-ican ... now a black sheep to all.
Nothing but chanuki sympathies left to cultivate.

http://youtu.be/u7aNKstBCM4
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 06:17:39 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The Black Keys are have great tunes - one of the few male Indie/Alt groups I can listen to at all.
Indie/Alts are full of interesting women to listen to though ... lots of them.
Ordinary rock/blues I find utterly boring ... completely unoriginal formula muzak.

However yer a turncoat 'smear-ican ... now a black sheep to all.
Nothing but chanuki sympathies left to cultivate.

http://youtu.be/u7aNKstBCM4 http://youtu.be/u7aNKstBCM4


Why Pants, you surprise me. You have good music taste. Plus! I continue to vex you, which makes my day. As long as you find my dual nature disturbing, my black sheepness incorrigible, then I am content. I have been put here to help you grow, don't you know? Who woulda thunk?
olliesedwuz@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 10:03:55 UTC
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Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.

Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 14:29:32 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.

Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!


HEAR, HEAR!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
feste37
2015-12-26 14:39:48 UTC
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I don't believe that Obama faces opposition from the Republican Congress because he is black. That would be too simple.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.

Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 14:47:03 UTC
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Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.



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awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 14:59:12 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 15:31:45 UTC
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I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists  or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire.  This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.





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emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 16:22:38 UTC
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Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."

Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 20:36:38 UTC
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Explain why I'm irrational.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."
Mike, you are completely irrational here.  It's amusing that you can't see it.  Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe.  Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video.  Look within......:)  


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists  or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire.  This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.







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awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 21:49:18 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.


Unfortunately it's difficult, if you are truly "irrational" to explain this to someone. You see, they don't have the rationality to see or understand it. Emily may be game to try but in my experience it only leads to bloodshed and tears.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."


Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
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Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 22:41:18 UTC
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Unfortunately it's difficult, if you are truly "irrational" to explain this to someone.

Not difficult at all!
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 22:59:27 UTC
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I've listened to "brunch with Bernie" on Thom Hartmann's show for
years. He's *very rational* especially compared to Hillary and the GOP
clowns. Maybe after Bernie is elected Hillary and the Clowns can be a
new rock group.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Unfortunately it's difficult, if you are truly "irrational" to explain this to someone.
*Not difficult at all!*
Difference between democrats and socialists
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 23:12:41 UTC
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Meeting with his supporters this Tuesday, the self-proclaimed socialist Bernie Sanders who is running for president on the Democratic Party platform, told the audiences that his policy of confiscating money from the richest one percent of Americans will allow him to fundamentally transform not just the United States but the entire world, including the Moon.

"Obama's mistake was that he started his fundamental transformation with America, when he should've started with the Moon," said Sanders to a thunderous applause. "We are not going to repeat the same mistake again."
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 23:21:38 UTC
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It wasn't that long ago that the typical Democrat would be offended if you even suggested that they were socialist at heart. Now they are running a self avoid Socialist who is running close behind another Socialist that won't admit it.


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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 5:12 PM
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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 23:49:22 UTC
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Don't be ridiculous. Did the Cold War freeze your brain?
Sanders to transform the Moon
Meeting with his supporters this Tuesday, the self-proclaimed
socialist Bernie Sanders who is running for president on the
Democratic Party platform, told the audiences that his policy of
confiscating money from the richest one percent of Americans will
allow him to fundamentally transform not just the United States but
the entire world, including the Moon.
"Obama's mistake was that he started his fundamental transformation
with America, when he should've started with the Moon," said Sanders
to a thunderous applause. "We are not going to repeat the same mistake
again."
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 23:51:20 UTC
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Sanders to transform the Moon
Meeting with his supporters this Tuesday, the self-proclaimed
socialist Bernie Sanders who is running for president on the
Democratic Party platform, told the audiences that his policy of
confiscating money from the richest one percent of Americans will
allow him to fundamentally transform not just the United States but
the entire world, including the Moon.
"Obama's mistake was that he started his fundamental transformation
with America, when he should've started with the Moon," said Sanders
to a thunderous applause. "We are not going to repeat the same mistake
again."
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 02:16:04 UTC
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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 02:29:34 UTC
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Quiz Monday morning.
IRanians burn US flag
Starbucks Red Cup
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 02:54:31 UTC
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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 03:11:20 UTC
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/*Generalissimo Empty,
Are you missing Pinochet?
*/
IRanians burn US flag
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 04:26:03 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Generalissimo Empty,
Are you missing Pinochet?


Pants is afraid. He is also seeing red. He likes to post stuff that others just ignore because it looks and feels hateful and negative so, like those who are normal and balanced, they don't give voice or attention to it. But not our Emptypants; he has caught some sort of virus and likes to try and spread it via the internet. He needs to get a rise out of his readers but most just allow him his little games. I think he has run out of books to read on how to find and know God and so he resorts to posting on FFL as a means to take out his disappointment on not finding God on others. But we can take it because Pants is so transparent in his need to spread his world weariness, plus (!), who can really take him seriously? He is like a parody of the big bad ogre man comin' to whip a little reality on you.

On 12/26/2015 06:54 PM, ***@... mailto:***@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 17:28:54 UTC
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 so he resorts to posting on FFL as a means to take out his disappointment on not finding God.

God? Which god?
Foggy thinking - your ordinary manner.

Guess you must worship one of those murderous Semite tyrant deities 
 like yhvh, hesoos, allah.

However, like most women, your statements in the end always falter and devolve to the personal.

As for “He likes to post stuff that others just ignore” 
 again, you are fantasizing. Most of the time when I post a new topic, readers hop on the runaway train and post, post, post. Marxists and pseudo-Maoists like to wring their hands and censure, condemn, denounce.

Why take any of it seriously? Over on FFL2, Turkey, Michael and Salyavin maintain their extended monologues with themselves. Silly Sal doesn't comment on my posts because she’s afraid I’ll ask her how many abortions she had.

Group thinking, from those who claim to be beyond it, makes it all laughable.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 02:03:30 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


 so he resorts to posting on FFL as a means to take out his disappointment on not finding God.

God? Which god?


Any God. The God of money, the Nature God - take your pick - but somebody greater and better than you.


Foggy thinking - your ordinary manner.


Foggy interpretation on your part, not to mention lack of sensitivity and imagination.

Guess you must worship one of those murderous Semite tyrant deities 
 like yhvh, hesoos, allah.


Sure, sure, whatever you say. You have plenty of words to describe your deities but that's all they are - words.

However, like most women, your statements in the end always falter and devolve to the personal.


HO, HO, HO, Hee, Hee, hee ha. Your emptypants are showing. What is it with these forums that attract misogynists? LOL. Maybe your lack of accountability as well as your anonymity is too tempting to resist acting like the ass you really are. To save you trouble in the real world simply apply a paper bag to your head and when addressing those you want to insult you can do so within the safety of your perceived invisibility.

As for “He likes to post stuff that others just ignore” 
 again, you are fantasizing. Most of the time when I post a new topic, readers hop on the runaway train and post, post, post. Marxists and pseudo-Maoists like to wring their hands and censure, condemn, denounce.


Are the terms "Marxist" and "pseudo-Maoists" not condemning and denouncing or is that your idea of lovingly whispered endearments?

Why take any of it seriously? Over on FFL2, Turkey, Michael and Salyavin maintain their extended monologues with themselves. Silly Sal doesn't comment on my posts because she’s afraid I’ll ask her how many abortions she had.


You take me too seriously or perhaps that is simply your usual condition of possessing no humor/funny bone.

Group thinking, from those who claim to be beyond it, makes it all laughable.


I can't imagine you laughing, smiling, brimming with hope or enthusiasm. I believe your term "laughable" is pure metaphor or, at least, another word or way of saying "smirk-worthy". Do you think you'll go to your grave this unhappy, this joyless, Pants?
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 15:49:42 UTC
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Generalissimo Empty,
Are you missing Pinochet?

No reason to miss Pinochet.
He was merely another murderous leader.
Dime a dozen where he comes from.

After all, since we have Madame Pinocchio running
for President, we'll be able to continue the divine
legacy of Dear Leader.
emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 01:30:50 UTC
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There would be no point. I quoted back to you the most obvious lines. You are taking an extreme position that is completely fabricated by the ultra-right wing extremist literature you feed into your brain and anything that falls outside of your very narrow view is immediately rejected. You get an adrenaline rush out of reiterating these crazy notions, I guess. I looked up "Do Democrats want to confiscate all guns" and found those exact words surrounded by all kinds of extreme rhetoric. Gun control is not about "confiscating all weapons at a moment's notice." Methinks you are brainwashed if that's what you believe.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."


Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 02:08:05 UTC
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You looked it up? Really?You just looked *it * up. Didn't take you very long.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  There would be no point.  I quoted back to you the most obvious lines.  You are taking an extreme position that is completely fabricated by the ultra-right wing extremist literature you feed into your brain and anything that falls outside of your very narrow view is immediately rejected.  You get an adrenaline rush out of reiterating these crazy notions, I guess.  I looked up "Do Democrats want to confiscate all guns" and found those exact words surrounded by all kinds of extreme rhetoric.  Gun control is not about "confiscating all weapons at a moment's notice." Methinks you are brainwashed if that's what you believe.  
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."
Mike, you are completely irrational here.  It's amusing that you can't see it.  Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe.  Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video.  Look within......:)  


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists  or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire.  This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.










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emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 05:06:37 UTC
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I'm a busy woman. You aren't sounding like you read the article I posted. Balance, my good and fearful man, balance.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You looked it up? Really?You just looked *it * up. Didn't take you very long.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


There would be no point. I quoted back to you the most obvious lines. You are taking an extreme position that is completely fabricated by the ultra-right wing extremist literature you feed into your brain and anything that falls outside of your very narrow view is immediately rejected. You get an adrenaline rush out of reiterating these crazy notions, I guess. I looked up "Do Democrats want to confiscate all guns" and found those exact words surrounded by all kinds of extreme rhetoric. Gun control is not about "confiscating all weapons at a moment's notice." Methinks you are brainwashed if that's what you believe.


http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."


Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 15:47:38 UTC
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Honey chil' , I didn't waste my time reading your little article. The debate for gun control has gone on for decades. I've heard it all. The fact is, liberals know they can't get every thing they want at once. Everything they want has to be done incrementally, little by little. All you have to do is go back over the years here on FFL and see what liberals want in regards to gun control.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  I'm a busy woman.  You aren't sounding like you read the article I posted.  Balance, my good and fearful man, balance.  


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You looked it up? Really?You just looked *it * up. Didn't take you very long.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 There would be no point.  I quoted back to you the most obvious lines.  You are taking an extreme position that is completely fabricated by the ultra-right wing extremist literature you feed into your brain and anything that falls outside of your very narrow view is immediately rejected.  You get an adrenaline rush out of reiterating these crazy notions, I guess.  I looked up "Do Democrats want to confiscate all guns" and found those exact words surrounded by all kinds of extreme rhetoric.  Gun control is not about "confiscating all weapons at a moment's notice." Methinks you are brainwashed if that's what you believe.  
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."
Mike, you are completely irrational here.  It's amusing that you can't see it.  Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe.  Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video.  Look within......:)  


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists  or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire.  This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.



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Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


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 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
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Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.










 

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emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 17:36:56 UTC
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Well, you missed a good one. A mix of irony, humor, reality and fact. I left what would likely be the most "offensive" parts to you in the article and cut out and am posting the reality, for the record. A counter to the illusionary and delusionary "rags" you feed your malleable brain. There's a nice little "conservative commentary" at the end that reminds me of you. :)

"But what I will do is repeat something I’ve said plenty of times. President Obama does not want to take away your damn guns.

No, the the Second Amendment isn’t under attack.


Under the plan Obama spoke of back in January you could still own thousands of guns. You could still own bullets. Hell, you could still own semi-automatics. There was absolutely no limit on how many guns you could own. What Obama proposed was the same assault weapon ban we had until just a few years ago. Did the world end, and tyranny take over, because of this ban? No. It’s the very same ban George W. Bush has been quoted as saying he felt should have been renewed in 2004. A ban on the same weapons George H. Bush and Ronald Reagan both said had no place in the hands of ordinary civilians.


President Obama also said he supported a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. You don’t need more than 10 bullets to hunt or defend yourself—and if you do, you probably shouldn’t be operating any kind of firearms to begin with.


Sorry sport shooters, I can’t support high-capacity magazines simply for sport shooting. Ranges can be allowed to own these for sport purposes, but they shouldn’t be privately owned.


He also supported universal background checks. What kind of delusional fools oppose a background check for all gun purchases? Well, we know which Senators oppose this law. Thankfully over 80% of Americans don’t. But seriously, you can’t even debate against universal background checks and if you try, you’re just proving your own ignorance.


Another thing he proposed was funding for enhanced resources to prevent mentally ill people from obtaining guns. Again, what imbecile opposes actions that seek to prevent mentally ill individuals from obtaining dangerous weapons?


He said we need increased funding for more law enforcement officers, funding to provide researchers the resources to study why people do these heinous acts and funding for schools to have armed security on campus if they so wish.


None of that is an attack on the Second Amendment, it’s called using common sense. Just because our Constitution gives us a right, doesn’t mean that right can’t have problems that need solutions. I support the right for gun ownership as a gun owner myself, but I also support sensible regulations of that right to try and prevent some of these horrific acts of violence.


Here’s my example of the difference between a liberal and a conservative talking about guns:


Liberal: I believe in sensible gun regulations that limit high-capacity magazines and some semi-automatic rifles. I believe that Americans have the right to own handguns for self-defense and rifles for hunting. However, I believe the selling of guns and their ammunition should be regulated with background checks to ensure the wrong people can’t simply walk into a gun show or their local Walmart and illegally purchase these items.


Conservative: Socialist liberals just want to turn law-abiding citizens into criminals. You know Hitler banned guns too, right? Bacon kills people every year, guess you people believe we should ban bacon? Obesity kills people every day, should we ban the spoons people use to eat with? Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. The only way to stop bad people with guns, are good people with guns. Our government fears an armed populace! You’ll get my guns when you take them from my cold dead hands. Do you see the difference? I know it’s subtle."

Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/


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Honey chil' , I didn't waste my time reading your little article. The debate for gun control has gone on for decades. I've heard it all. The fact is, liberals know they can't get every thing they want at once. Everything they want has to be done incrementally, little by little. All you have to do is go back over the years here on FFL and see what liberals want in regards to gun control.






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I'm a busy woman. You aren't sounding like you read the article I posted. Balance, my good and fearful man, balance.



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You looked it up? Really?You just looked *it * up. Didn't take you very long.






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There would be no point. I quoted back to you the most obvious lines. You are taking an extreme position that is completely fabricated by the ultra-right wing extremist literature you feed into your brain and anything that falls outside of your very narrow view is immediately rejected. You get an adrenaline rush out of reiterating these crazy notions, I guess. I looked up "Do Democrats want to confiscate all guns" and found those exact words surrounded by all kinds of extreme rhetoric. Gun control is not about "confiscating all weapons at a moment's notice." Methinks you are brainwashed if that's what you believe.


http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/


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Explain why I'm irrational.





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Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."


Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


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I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






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Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





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Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
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Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
authfriend@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 22:14:14 UTC
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Citing lack of evidence for something as evidence for it is irrational and paranoid. That most people want tighter gun control is not evidence they want to "confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." There's zero evidence for the latter. And "incrementally over generations" doesn't help. The people presently in a position to affect the gun situation in this country won't be in power generations from now.







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Explain why I'm irrational.





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Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."


Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 01:26:56 UTC
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*Irrational* means a lack of reason, no explanation, not a lack of evidence. People seeking power, such as Democrats can't openly say that they want to disarm society. Only their backers and supporters can, such as Anne! We have the second amendment! Openly campaigning on depriving people of the second amendment would surely lead to defeat. Yet Liberals will quickly tell you that the second amendment doesn't mean what it says. That arms are *only* for a well regulated militia, therefor *we the people* don't really have a right to have guns. And then you have Democratic strongholds, New York, Baltimore, Chicago, where owning a gun legally is next to impossible or severely restricted. The Democratic method of eliminating something legal is to regulate it out of existence if they just can't pass a law completely banning something.



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  Citing lack of evidence for something as evidence for it is irrational and paranoid. That most people want tighter gun control is not evidence they want to "confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." There's zero evidence for the latter. And "incrementally over generations" doesn't help. The people presently in a position to affect the gun situation in this country won't be in power generations from now.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."
Mike, you are completely irrational here.  It's amusing that you can't see it.  Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe.  Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video.  Look within......:)  


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists  or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire.  This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.

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awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 02:13:23 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

*Irrational* means a lack of reason, no explanation, not a lack of evidence. People seeking power, such as Democrats can't openly say that they want to disarm society. Only their backers and supporters can, such as Anne!


Giving a gun to the average American is like giving a Ferrari to a newly-licensed driver, a bottle of gin to a ten year old or a Brahma bull to someone hoping for a pony.


We have the second amendment! Openly campaigning on depriving people of the second amendment would surely lead to defeat. Yet Liberals will quickly tell you that the second amendment doesn't mean what it says. That arms are *only* for a well regulated militia, therefor *we the people* don't really have a right to have guns. And then you have Democratic strongholds, New York, Baltimore, Chicago, where owning a gun legally is next to impossible or severely restricted. The Democratic method of eliminating something legal is to regulate it out of existence if they just can't pass a law completely banning something.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Citing lack of evidence for something as evidence for it is irrational and paranoid. That most people want tighter gun control is not evidence they want to "confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." There's zero evidence for the latter. And "incrementally over generations" doesn't help. The people presently in a position to affect the gun situation in this country won't be in power generations from now.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."


Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 02:31:26 UTC
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Now that is irrational!



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

*Irrational* means a lack of reason, no explanation, not a lack of evidence. People seeking power, such as Democrats can't openly say that they want to disarm society. Only their backers and supporters can, such as Anne!
Giving a gun to the average American is like giving a Ferrari to a newly-licensed driver, a bottle of gin to a ten year old or a Brahma bull to someone hoping for a pony. 
 We have the second amendment! Openly campaigning on depriving people of the second amendment would surely lead to defeat. Yet Liberals will quickly tell you that the second amendment doesn't mean what it says. That arms are *only* for a well regulated militia, therefor *we the people* don't really have a right to have guns. And then you have Democratic strongholds, New York, Baltimore, Chicago, where owning a gun legally is next to impossible or severely restricted. The Democratic method of eliminating something legal is to regulate it out of existence if they just can't pass a law completely banning something.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Citing lack of evidence for something as evidence for it is irrational and paranoid. That most people want tighter gun control is not evidence they want to "confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." There's zero evidence for the latter. And "incrementally over generations" doesn't help. The people presently in a position to affect the gun situation in this country won't be in power generations from now.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."
Mike, you are completely irrational here.  It's amusing that you can't see it.  Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe.  Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video.  Look within......:)  


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists  or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire.  This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.



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awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 02:58:50 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Now that is irrational!


Ya think??

























From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 8:13 PM
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

*Irrational* means a lack of reason, no explanation, not a lack of evidence. People seeking power, such as Democrats can't openly say that they want to disarm society. Only their backers and supporters can, such as Anne!


Giving a gun to the average American is like giving a Ferrari to a newly-licensed driver, a bottle of gin to a ten year old or a Brahma bull to someone hoping for a pony.


We have the second amendment! Openly campaigning on depriving people of the second amendment would surely lead to defeat. Yet Liberals will quickly tell you that the second amendment doesn't mean what it says. That arms are *only* for a well regulated militia, therefor *we the people* don't really have a right to have guns. And then you have Democratic strongholds, New York, Baltimore, Chicago, where owning a gun legally is next to impossible or severely restricted. The Democratic method of eliminating something legal is to regulate it out of existence if they just can't pass a law completely banning something.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Citing lack of evidence for something as evidence for it is irrational and paranoid. That most people want tighter gun control is not evidence they want to "confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." There's zero evidence for the latter. And "incrementally over generations" doesn't help. The people presently in a position to affect the gun situation in this country won't be in power generations from now.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."


Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.
authfriend@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 02:14:21 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

*Irrational* means a lack of reason, no explanation, not a lack of evidence.


Not what I said; read it again.


People seeking power, such as Democrats can't openly say that they want to disarm society. Only their backers and supporters can, such as Anne! We have the second amendment! Openly campaigning on depriving people of the second amendment would surely lead to defeat. Yet Liberals will quickly tell you that the second amendment doesn't mean what it says.


They tell you it doesn't mean what right-wingers say it means.


That arms are *only* for a well regulated militia, therefor *we the people* don't really have a right to have guns. And then you have Democratic strongholds, New York, Baltimore, Chicago, where owning a gun legally is next to impossible or severely restricted.


Bull.


The Democratic method of eliminating something legal is to regulate it out of existence if they just can't pass a law completely banning something.


They can't and won't do either.


Besides, what you said is that Democrats want "the ability to confiscate all weapons at a moments notice"--and that this was why they allegedly don't enforce the existing regulations! You can't "regulate it out of existence" if you aren't enforcing the regulations. And the notion that it would even be possible to "confiscate all weapons at a moments notice" is utterly absurd.


The more you try to defend what you said, the more irrational it becomes.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Citing lack of evidence for something as evidence for it is irrational and paranoid. That most people want tighter gun control is not evidence they want to "confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." There's zero evidence for the latter. And "incrementally over generations" doesn't help. The people presently in a position to affect the gun situation in this country won't be in power generations from now.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Explain why I'm irrational.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice."


Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within......:)


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.
feste37
2015-12-26 16:37:37 UTC
Permalink
You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 17:05:56 UTC
Permalink
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy.


Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste, once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you...


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 18:18:33 UTC
Permalink
Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste, once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you...

You must not get out much. Torches and pitchforks? What a fantasy life you lead wafflebeater. Try reading the Canada Free Press occasionally. You are drinking the Kool-Aid again and it is jiggling you synapses.

Armed revolution would proly start with AR-15’s and 50 cals but quickly progress to National Guard centers armories. You don't have a clue.


Mike has nailed it exactly. The incredulous tail biters are slack-jawed as usual.



Offer them some parcels on your acreage, Wolfbait. Maybe they can bail some alfalfa for a cup a tea. They'll also need a pair of scissors to feel safe.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 21:37:14 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste, once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you...

You must not get out much. Torches and pitchforks? What a fantasy life you lead wafflebeater. Try reading the Canada Free Press occasionally. You are drinking the Kool-Aid again and it is jiggling you synapses.


No, no! I saw it in a movie. They use farm implements, torches and gather in mobs and shout a lot.


http://youtu.be/qLvGnro4Cgw




Armed revolution would proly start with AR-15’s and 50 cals but quickly progress to National Guard centers armories. You don't have a clue.



Uh huh.

Mike has nailed it exactly. The incredulous tail biters are slack-jawed as usual.



Oh you tease, Pants. You know no one is "slack-jawed" nor "incredulous". What a dreary world you must inhabit - having to create all this drama.


Offer them some parcels on your acreage, Wolfbait. Maybe they can bail some alfalfa for a cup a tea. They'll also need a pair of scissors to feel safe.



Unfortunately, the climate where I live does not support the growing of alfalfa but I do have a pair of scissors in the (you guessed it) BARN where I also have three pitchforks and a couple of stout rakes. We'll be fine.
feste37
2015-12-26 19:03:22 UTC
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I don't know much about Canada -- is it really full of nice, quiet, polite people?

I have to be careful about what I say about Texas because about 75% of my income comes from there. Businesses relocate or spring up there, I believe, because it is a good business environment, with low taxes.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy.


Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste, once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you...


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 21:42:23 UTC
Permalink
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I don't know much about Canada -- is it really full of nice, quiet, polite people?


I believe so. They don't have anyone like Emptypants or even bawee (God, how I miss him) but they do have a couple of Mike equivalents. In fact, I got into quite a brouhaha with a sloppy thinker on, of all places, FB the other day and we had a good shouting match - she all huffy about not wanting anyone in the country except those who were born in Canada because only they were "true Canadians". Given her last name, I highly doubt her parents were born in Canada, but that is another story. So, there is the odd bigoted 'fraidy cat but generally Canadians are dressed in plaid, drink Rye and walk around in the middle of winter in shorts and tee shirts all the while asking your pardon for the slightest inconvenience they might or might not be causing you.

I have to be careful about what I say about Texas because about 75% of my income comes from there. Businesses relocate or spring up there, I believe, because it is a good business environment, with low taxes.


Also, Texans carry those bigger guns so be careful, Feste.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy.


Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste, once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you...


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
feste37
2015-12-26 23:08:22 UTC
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Well, that's good to know. I saw your new prime minister the other day -- he looked like he was only a few years out of high school. Are you sure he is old enough for the position he now occupies?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I don't know much about Canada -- is it really full of nice, quiet, polite people?


I believe so. They don't have anyone like Emptypants or even bawee (God, how I miss him) but they do have a couple of Mike equivalents. In fact, I got into quite a brouhaha with a sloppy thinker on, of all places, FB the other day and we had a good shouting match - she all huffy about not wanting anyone in the country except those who were born in Canada because only they were "true Canadians". Given her last name, I highly doubt her parents were born in Canada, but that is another story. So, there is the odd bigoted 'fraidy cat but generally Canadians are dressed in plaid, drink Rye and walk around in the middle of winter in shorts and tee shirts all the while asking your pardon for the slightest inconvenience they might or might not be causing you.

I have to be careful about what I say about Texas because about 75% of my income comes from there. Businesses relocate or spring up there, I believe, because it is a good business environment, with low taxes.


Also, Texans carry those bigger guns so be careful, Feste.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy.


Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste, once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you...


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 04:13:51 UTC
Permalink
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Well, that's good to know. I saw your new prime minister the other day -- he looked like he was only a few years out of high school. Are you sure he is old enough for the position he now occupies?


Good question but I'm not convinced age is a game changer. He is optimistic, enthusiastic, motivated and his heart is in the right place so that is a good start. Frankly, being the leader of any country is a dismal fate.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I don't know much about Canada -- is it really full of nice, quiet, polite people?


I believe so. They don't have anyone like Emptypants or even bawee (God, how I miss him) but they do have a couple of Mike equivalents. In fact, I got into quite a brouhaha with a sloppy thinker on, of all places, FB the other day and we had a good shouting match - she all huffy about not wanting anyone in the country except those who were born in Canada because only they were "true Canadians". Given her last name, I highly doubt her parents were born in Canada, but that is another story. So, there is the odd bigoted 'fraidy cat but generally Canadians are dressed in plaid, drink Rye and walk around in the middle of winter in shorts and tee shirts all the while asking your pardon for the slightest inconvenience they might or might not be causing you.

I have to be careful about what I say about Texas because about 75% of my income comes from there. Businesses relocate or spring up there, I believe, because it is a good business environment, with low taxes.


Also, Texans carry those bigger guns so be careful, Feste.
emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 01:17:52 UTC
Permalink
That's funny. There was a visiting conductor of a music concert I went to this holiday season that was Canadian. He apologized for the way he was dressed. :) (Comfortably casual). He also said (tongue-in-cheek) that he hoped the US didn't build a wall between itself and Canada so that future musical collaboration could continue.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I don't know much about Canada -- is it really full of nice, quiet, polite people?


I believe so. They don't have anyone like Emptypants or even bawee (God, how I miss him) but they do have a couple of Mike equivalents. In fact, I got into quite a brouhaha with a sloppy thinker on, of all places, FB the other day and we had a good shouting match - she all huffy about not wanting anyone in the country except those who were born in Canada because only they were "true Canadians". Given her last name, I highly doubt her parents were born in Canada, but that is another story. So, there is the odd bigoted 'fraidy cat but generally Canadians are dressed in plaid, drink Rye and walk around in the middle of winter in shorts and tee shirts all the while asking your pardon for the slightest inconvenience they might or might not be causing you.

I have to be careful about what I say about Texas because about 75% of my income comes from there. Businesses relocate or spring up there, I believe, because it is a good business environment, with low taxes.


Also, Texans carry those bigger guns so be careful, Feste.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy.


Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste, once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you...


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 20:42:04 UTC
Permalink
No, not pitchforks and torches.... guns.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy.  
Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste,  once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you...


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists  or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire.  This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.







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Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 20:41:06 UTC
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Well, that's a good thing then. You don't want to *f* with a crazy person with a gun!



From: feste37 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists  or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire.  This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.







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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 19:42:51 UTC
Permalink
Geez Mike, Fox News is rotting your brain. We are in more danger of a
right wing fascist government taking over than a left wing one. I would
say our current government is a right wing fascist government because it
is run at the behest of the right wing military industrial complex. As
you I'm a liberal who opposes gun control because we may need it to
fight off a right wing government which by the way will confiscate your
"hard earned wealth" too though I don't think you have any.
]
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does
the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal
protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the
citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts
confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to
redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and
takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them
in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason
the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce
the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to
completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then,
their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over
generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer
that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that,
because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*,
that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the
person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get?
If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously
suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by
leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a
*woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society.
This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information*
voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher
than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades,
more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that
our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all
other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe
much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are
leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back
to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies
don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists
that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to
continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens,
while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants*
with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist*
and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion
dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one
with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to
bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic
system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism
which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and
suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and
dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares
the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim
those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this
feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk
right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches,
pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and
screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid
the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike.
Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a
glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear
driven.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his
skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we
had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President,
only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin
and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a
wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your
pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May
God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he
was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a
unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite
all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate
Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment
to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and
history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history
begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who
rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he
at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it
is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the Haves
on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written for the
Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections.
What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds
most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it all
away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s
rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
olliesedwuz@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 13:04:35 UTC
Permalink
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.

Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.


I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.


The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 16:08:02 UTC
Permalink
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. 
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. 
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.





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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 17:32:11 UTC
Permalink
No, the rope in this tug-a-war just needs to be pulled to a little too
the left. It's gone too far right and so far into the hands of the
0.001%. Even a lot "conservatives" dislike that. You seem to be one of
the few still stuck in this "rich good, poor bad" Tarzan think that
0.001%'er Rupert Murdoch promotes.

And Mike, the guy I do some software projects for started outsourcing
several years ago. It had nothing to do with government regulations
because software development is pretty much "hands off" when it comes to
government. It's just that the cost of living in some of these
countries is lower and so these companies can charge far less for a
project yet their workers still live well. The high cost of living in
the US is out of whack and artificial due to credit. Economists will
tell you the last time it was in balance was the mid 1970s. Back then
you could still earn minimum wage yet enjoy life.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire
Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word.
Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total
government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of
view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due
to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic
meddling.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul
Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has
advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty
confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down
to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the
color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is
well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of
Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies
said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good
thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market
crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic
philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you",
justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social
services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously
biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or
corporate welfare.
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating
constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only
thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from
China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued
prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that
perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into
China's hands.
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that,
because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*,
that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the
person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get?
If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously
suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by
leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a
*woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society.
This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information*
voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher
than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades,
more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that
our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all
other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe
much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are
leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back
to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies
don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists
that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to
continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens,
while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants*
with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist*
and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion
dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one
with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to
bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic
system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism
which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and
suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and
dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares
the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim
those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this
feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk
right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches,
pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and
screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid
the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike.
Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a
glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear
driven.
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his
skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we
had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President,
only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin
and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a
wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your
pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May
God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he
was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a
unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite
all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate
Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment
to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and
history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history
begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who
rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he
at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it
is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the Haves
on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written for the
Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections.
What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds
most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it all
away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s
rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 17:43:52 UTC
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You left out a couple of other conditions as to why it is cheaper to do business overseas. Not just government regulation but also taxation and Unions. Union demands have been unreasonable in many cases. Many unions make so many demands that businesses just find it worthwhile to shut down here and reopen in a foreign country and ship their products back here. Unions drove the textile industry out of the US and overseas many years ago. The same is going for various other manufacturing industries. Who was it, Boeing, that wanted to move their operations from Washington state to North or South Carolina where they would be in a right to work state. As far as I remember Obama put a stop to that.



From: "Bhairitu ***@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  No, the rope in this tug-a-war just needs to be pulled to a little too the left. It's gone too far right and so far into the hands of the 0.001%.  Even a lot "conservatives" dislike that.  You seem to be one of the few still stuck in this "rich good, poor bad" Tarzan think that 0.001%'er Rupert Murdoch promotes.

And Mike, the guy I do some software projects for started outsourcing several years ago.  It had nothing to do with government regulations because software development is pretty much "hands off" when it comes to government.  It's just that the cost of living in some of these countries is lower and so these companies can charge far less for a project yet their workers still live well.  The high cost of living in the US is out of whack and artificial due to credit.  Economists will tell you the last time it was in balance was the mid 1970s.  Back then you could still earn minimum wage yet enjoy life.

On 12/27/2015 08:08 AM, Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation. Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view. You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. 
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. 
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.  Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.  Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.  Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.   This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):   “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”   “What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."  Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky   Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.   I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.   Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.









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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 18:05:21 UTC
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I cited the tech industry which doesn't have any unions. In fact most
startups and companies wanted avoid unions so they learned to treat the
workers well with free food and even rec rooms to blow off steam. In
return they turned some of their young fools into tech monks. However
research by places like HP (before Carly ruined the place) showed that
working more than 50 hours a week was counter productive. Google will
hire a college grad for their "sandbox" but if they don't produce in a
year they're gone and probably hoping to get a job as a barista at
Starbucks. Nothing funnier than watching a young tech geek trying to
make your drink. In one case I cracked up when the assistant manager
told the noobie geek that "this isn't a chemistry lab" when he wanted to
"exactly" measure things. The assistant manager then turned to me and
(rolling her eyes) said "pray for me." :-D

Sounds to me you like slavery. Yeah some unions have become an end in
themselves. Tell me about it. The American Federation of Musicians
became a place for not too good players could get a get a gig carrying
around a briefcase and feeling self important while getting so far
behind the times even city symphony orchestras dropped out of it.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You left out a couple of other conditions as to why it is cheaper to
do business overseas. Not just government regulation but also taxation
and Unions. Union demands have been unreasonable in many cases. Many
unions make so many demands that businesses just find it worthwhile to
shut down here and reopen in a foreign country and ship their products
back here. Unions drove the textile industry out of the US and
overseas many years ago. The same is going for various other
manufacturing industries. Who was it, Boeing, that wanted to move
their operations from Washington state to North or South Carolina
where they would be in a right to work state. As far as I remember
Obama put a stop to that.
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:32 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
No, the rope in this tug-a-war just needs to be pulled to a little too
the left. It's gone too far right and so far into the hands of the
0.001%. Even a lot "conservatives" dislike that. You seem to be one
of the few still stuck in this "rich good, poor bad" Tarzan think that
0.001%'er Rupert Murdoch promotes.
And Mike, the guy I do some software projects for started outsourcing
several years ago. It had nothing to do with government regulations
because software development is pretty much "hands off" when it comes
to government. It's just that the cost of living in some of these
countries is lower and so these companies can charge far less for a
project yet their workers still live well. The high cost of living in
the US is out of whack and artificial due to credit. Economists will
tell you the last time it was in balance was the mid 1970s. Back then
you could still earn minimum wage yet enjoy life.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire
Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word.
Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total
government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of
view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due
to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic
meddling.
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul
Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has
advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am
pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you,
even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the
color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is
well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction
of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his
cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress.
A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the
market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic
philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you",
justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social
services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously
biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or
corporate welfare.
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating
constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only
thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from
China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued
prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that
perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into
China's hands.
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that,
because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*,
that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the
person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you
get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously
suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by
leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a
*woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society.
This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low
information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher
than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades,
more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact
that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of
all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we
owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are
leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories
back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable
allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous
terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle
field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens,
while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants*
with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist*
and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion
dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one
with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to
bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic
system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism
which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and
suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and
dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares
the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim
those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this
feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid
drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming
torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and
dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the
US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a
dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but
it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents
have and it is fear driven.
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his
skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we
had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President,
only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin
and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a
wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your
pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May
God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only
he was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a
unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to
unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical
Marxist/Apostate Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment
to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and
history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history
begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who
rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he
at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what
it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the
Haves on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written for
the Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections.
What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds
most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it all
away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s
rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 19:34:16 UTC
Permalink
No, "Obama" did not. Yes, he nominates (not appoints) members. Per Politifact:

"It’s not Obama’s NLRB," said William Gould, who chaired the labor board for over four years during the Clinton administration and is now a law professor at Stanford Law School. Gould disagreed with the NLRB decision to open hearings against Boeing but says the White House would be far removed from those activities.

"It’s an independent quasi-judicial administrative agency," Gould said. "I am sure that the White House had absolutely nothing to do with this. During my 53-plus months, we never heard anything from the White House."

Indeed, we could find no evidence that the White House intervened. The president’s spokesman, Jay Carney, told reporters "this was not something the president was involved in."



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You left out a couple of other conditions as to why it is cheaper to do business overseas. Not just government regulation but also taxation and Unions. Union demands have been unreasonable in many cases. Many unions make so many demands that businesses just find it worthwhile to shut down here and reopen in a foreign country and ship their products back here. Unions drove the textile industry out of the US and overseas many years ago. The same is going for various other manufacturing industries. Who was it, Boeing, that wanted to move their operations from Washington state to North or South Carolina where they would be in a right to work state. As far as I remember Obama put a stop to that.





From: "Bhairitu ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media



No, the rope in this tug-a-war just needs to be pulled to a little too the left. It's gone too far right and so far into the hands of the 0.001%. Even a lot "conservatives" dislike that. You seem to be one of the few still stuck in this "rich good, poor bad" Tarzan think that 0.001%'er Rupert Murdoch promotes.

And Mike, the guy I do some software projects for started outsourcing several years ago. It had nothing to do with government regulations because software development is pretty much "hands off" when it comes to government. It's just that the cost of living in some of these countries is lower and so these companies can charge far less for a project yet their workers still live well. The high cost of living in the US is out of whack and artificial due to credit. Economists will tell you the last time it was in balance was the mid 1970s. Back then you could still earn minimum wage yet enjoy life.

On 12/27/2015 08:08 AM, Mike Dixon ***@... mailto:***@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!

Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:***@...[FairfieldLife] <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com
To: ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.


Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.


I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.


The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com
To: ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 21:27:40 UTC
Permalink
Lots of people voted for Obama including Republicans in 2008. They had
a bad taste in their mouth after the Bush Crime Family held office.
McCain and his joke of a VP were allowed to run because the GOP knew
they couldn't win.

In 2012 people didn't vote for Obama but voted against Romney. They were
disappointed that Obama didn't do what he said. Like I always say,
Presidents are really just like the late night car salesmen on TV. Most
of the lots are owned by someone else and they're just the spokesmen.
They say that Jimmy Carter cried when he took office and was told what
he could not do by the guys behind the curtain. JFK was the last
President who held strong on his promises and see what it got him.

Democracy in the US is a farce.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
"It’s not Obama’s NLRB," said William Gould, who chaired the labor
board for over four years during the Clinton administration and is now
a law professor at Stanford Law School. Gould disagreed with the NLRB
decision to open hearings against Boeing but says the White House
would be far removed from those activities.
"It’s an independent quasi-judicial administrative agency," Gould
said. "I am sure that the White House had absolutely nothing to do
with this. During my 53-plus months, we never heard anything from the
White House."
Indeed, we could find no evidence that the White House intervened. The
president’s spokesman, Jay Carney, told reporters "this was not
something the president was involved in."
You left out a couple of other conditions as to why it is cheaper to
do business overseas. Not just government regulation but also taxation
and Unions. Union demands have been unreasonable in many cases. Many
unions make so many demands that businesses just find it worthwhile to
shut down here and reopen in a foreign country and ship their products
back here. Unions drove the textile industry out of the US and
overseas many years ago. The same is going for various other
manufacturing industries. Who was it, Boeing, that wanted to move
their operations from Washington state to North or South Carolina
where they would be in a right to work state. As far as I remember
Obama put a stop to that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:32 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
No, the rope in this tug-a-war just needs to be pulled to a little too
the left. It's gone too far right and so far into the hands of the
0.001%. Even a lot "conservatives" dislike that. You seem to be one
of the few still stuck in this "rich good, poor bad" Tarzan think that
0.001%'er Rupert Murdoch promotes.
And Mike, the guy I do some software projects for started outsourcing
several years ago. It had nothing to do with government regulations
because software development is pretty much "hands off" when it comes
to government. It's just that the cost of living in some of these
countries is lower and so these companies can charge far less for a
project yet their workers still live well. The high cost of living in
the US is out of whack and artificial due to credit. Economists will
tell you the last time it was in balance was the mid 1970s. Back then
you could still earn minimum wage yet enjoy life.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire
Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word.
Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total
government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US
due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more
Democratic meddling.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say,
Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has
advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am
pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from
you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they
don't exist*.
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the
color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs
is well founded, when our previous President advocated the
destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market",
he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate
from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the
street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican
domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine,
screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption
wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of
thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied
to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while
advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is
ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the
cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on
which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left"
is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans
who are driving us further into China's hands.
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume
that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the
*far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those
policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How
simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to
believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and
trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year,
the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country
and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because
she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to
the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to
the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty
higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest
in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever.
Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled
the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing
to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That
money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories
back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable
allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous
terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the
battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own
citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the *
illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that
cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil
war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled
*racist* and give him just about anything he wants including
another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any
one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these
policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current
social and economic system in place and replacing it with the
purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but
redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish
for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so
much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that
scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that
you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't
lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a
bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their
villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to
unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of
those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of
"socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one
thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a
glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is
fear driven.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of
his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it
if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for
President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful
dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give
you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly
pillow case off your pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ,
May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”.
Only he was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather
as a unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to
unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical
Marxist/Apostate Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder
acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends,
mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves
off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical
known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so
effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from
what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by
Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the
Haves on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written
for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US
elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for
whomever sounds most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it
all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other
people’s rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 22:15:44 UTC
Permalink
Democracy in the US is a farce.

Said like a true Maoist.
Just appoint yourself.
You'll feel so much better.

So ... Got Bhu?
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 00:00:51 UTC
Permalink
@_@

I suspect in the Spanish Civil War you would have sucked up to the
wealth landowners and not the people?
Post by Bhairitu ***@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Democracy in the US is a farce.
Said like a true Maoist.
Just appoint yourself.
You'll feel so much better.
So ... Got Bhu?
s3raphita@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 00:26:35 UTC
Permalink
Re "I suspect in the Spanish Civil War you [emptybill] would have sucked up to the wealthy landowners and not the people?":

Well maybe he would. He can speak for himself.


But would you have sucked up to the Republicans who murdered Roman Catholic clergy? - 6,832 were killed during the war, including 4,184 priests, 2,365 monks and friars, and 283 nuns, in addition to 13 bishops.


Along with the usual mass rapes.


The Spanish Civil War wasn't the goodies-versus-baddies fantasy promoted by progressive apologists.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

@_@

I suspect in the Spanish Civil War you would have sucked up to the wealth landowners and not the people?

On 12/27/2015 02:15 PM, ***@... mailto:***@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Democracy in the US is a farce.

Said like a true Maoist.
Just appoint yourself.
You'll feel so much better.

So ... Got Bhu?









---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

@_@

I suspect in the Spanish Civil War you would have sucked up to the wealth landowners and not the people?

On 12/27/2015 02:15 PM, ***@... mailto:***@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Democracy in the US is a farce.

Said like a true Maoist.
Just appoint yourself.
You'll feel so much better.

So ... Got Bhu?
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 01:44:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Re "I suspect in the Spanish Civil War you [emptybill] would have
Well maybe he would. He can speak for himself.
But would you have sucked up to the Republicans who murdered Roman
Catholic clergy? - 6,832 were killed during the war, including 4,184
priests, 2,365 monks and friars, and 283 nuns, in addition to 13 bishops.
Along with the usual mass rapes.
The Spanish Civil War wasn't the goodies-versus-baddies fantasy
promoted by progressive apologists.
No it wasn't which is what the 6 part video shows.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
@_@
I suspect in the Spanish Civil War you would have sucked up to the
wealth landowners and not the people?
Post by Bhairitu ***@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Democracy in the US is a farce.
Said like a true Maoist.
Just appoint yourself.
You'll feel so much better.
So ... Got Bhu?
@_@
I suspect in the Spanish Civil War you would have sucked up to the
wealth landowners and not the people?
Post by Bhairitu ***@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Democracy in the US is a farce.
Said like a true Maoist.
Just appoint yourself.
You'll feel so much better.
So ... Got Bhu?
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 01:45:54 UTC
Permalink
My predecessor's homestead in what used to be East Prussia.
Any other uninformed questions?
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 02:16:13 UTC
Permalink
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

My predecessor's homestead in what used to be East Prussia.
Any other uninformed questions?


You crack me up, Mr Martyr.
Did you know that a question is only uninformed in the sense that the asker is seeking a sincere answer to something they want to know, or profess to not know already.
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 02:29:18 UTC
Permalink
No pic posted with the comment.
Apparently the pic was excised as too data intensive.
Typical Yahoo.
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 02:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bhairitu ***@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Democracy in the US is a farce.
Said like a true Maoist.
Just appoint yourself.
You'll feel so much better.
So ... Got Bhu?
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 17:33:12 UTC
Permalink
BTW Ollie, you're all wet behind the ears in regards to Social Security. Every group, that I know of , that has opted out of SS has fared far better than if they had stayed in it. One case in point is the Galveston public employees. They currently earn about three times what SS would pay them off of the same amount of investment. the same goes for numerous other groups such a s Railroad employees, Postal Workers and others.The economic collapse of 2008 was due to Democratic policies made during the Clinton years that Democratic congressmen stood in the way of changing when it was discovered that they were creating problems. Case in point, in 2001 Bush and later John McCain warned of the problems within the Community Redevelopment Act that was causing problems and that Fannie Mae wouldn't be able to handle it. Jesse Jackson and perhaps Al Sharpton were putting pressure on banks to get poor people into their own houses. Banks reluctantly made the loans and bundled them and passed them on to other risk takers, eventually ending up with Fannie Mae that then collapsed. Barny Frank had been warned there was a problem looming and refused to allow any adjustments to made. The housing market collapsed then the banks failed that were involved in extending the risky loans.



From: "Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. 
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. 
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.







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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 17:55:44 UTC
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Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
BTW Ollie, you're all wet behind the ears in regards to Social
Security. Every group, that I know of , that has opted out of SS has
fared far better than if they had stayed in it. One case in point is
the Galveston public employees. They currently earn about three times
what SS would pay them off of the same amount of investment. the same
goes for numerous other groups such a s Railroad employees, Postal
Workers and others.
So what do the folks in Galveston think about paying higher taxes so
that the Galveston employees can retire at full wage and benefits?
That's a scam and a half. Which was perpetrated by Wall Street to get
their hands on that money. Things could even go south by the time some
of these employees are ready to retire and they'll get nothing.
Pensions weren't originally intended to be this way.

You are aware that many boomers have taken SS earlier they they wanted
to partly to make sure they even got some of it since after all we
contributed. The other part was how badly the banksters screwed our
economy and folks who could have kept working into their 70s and have
lots of good experience can't find work anymore. Totally upside down and
crazy.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The economic collapse of 2008 was due to Democratic policies made
during the Clinton years that Democratic congressmen stood in the way
of changing when it was discovered that they were creating problems.
Case in point, in 2001 Bush and later John McCain warned of the
problems within the Community Redevelopment Act that was causing
problems and that Fannie Mae wouldn't be able to handle it. Jesse
Jackson and perhaps Al Sharpton were putting pressure on banks to get
poor people into their own houses. Banks reluctantly made the loans
and bundled them and passed them on to other risk takers, eventually
ending up with Fannie Mae that then collapsed. Barny Frank had been
warned there was a problem looming and refused to allow any
adjustments to made. The housing market collapsed then the banks
failed that were involved in extending the risky loans.
So what flavor kool-aid is Fox News mixing up these days? Maybe there
needs to be an AA group for Fox News addicts. Your information is so
wrong and polluted I don't know where to begin. Take it history wasn't
one of your better subjects.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:08 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire
Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word.
Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total
government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of
view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due
to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic
meddling.
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul
Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has
advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty
confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down
to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the
color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is
well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of
Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies
said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good
thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market
crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic
philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you",
justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social
services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously
biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or
corporate welfare.
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating
constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only
thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from
China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued
prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that
perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into
China's hands.
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that,
because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*,
that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the
person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get?
If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously
suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by
leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a
*woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society.
This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information*
voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher
than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades,
more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that
our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all
other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe
much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are
leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back
to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies
don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists
that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to
continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens,
while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants*
with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist*
and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion
dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one
with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to
bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic
system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism
which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and
suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and
dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares
the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim
those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this
feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk
right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches,
pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and
screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid
the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike.
Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a
glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear
driven.
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his
skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we
had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President,
only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin
and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a
wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your
pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May
God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he
was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a
unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite
all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate
Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment
to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and
history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history
begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who
rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he
at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it
is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the Haves
on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written for the
Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections.
What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds
most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it all
away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s
rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
olliesedwuz@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 14:14:40 UTC
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I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.

Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.


No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas.


I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.


So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!

Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.


Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.


I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.


The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 14:28:36 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.

Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.


No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas.


I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.


So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.


Nice post. I find it quite humorous that the new bugaboo word seems to have moved from the term "communism" to "socialism" in the US. It is like many Americans don't recognize that social programs, ie anything that the government either provides or subsidizes in the form of hand outs (money and/or services) are everywhere in our country from the building of roads to the running of public schools (not to mention social security and welfare). I just don't get what the big deal is. It is as if many live within an imagined ideology of what America stands for or is in terms of democracy and capitalism and that anything beyond this imagined perfect system is anathema and something to be shunned and even feared.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!

Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.
feste37
2015-12-28 18:13:55 UTC
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Yes, yes, and yes.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.

Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.


No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas.


I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.


So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!

Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.


Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.


I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.


The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 19:48:46 UTC
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By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages. 
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again. 
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas. 
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. 
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. 
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.







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emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 20:57:59 UTC
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Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."


The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed.


At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn.


Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll.


The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.


Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.









http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

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By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.

Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.


Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.


No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas.


I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.


So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.

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Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!

Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.


Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.


I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.


The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands.

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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
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Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 22:03:35 UTC
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Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."

The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed. 
At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn.
Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll. 
The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.
Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.



http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages. 
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again. 
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas. 
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. 
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. 
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

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 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.









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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 01:09:14 UTC
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In a perfect world with honest business people. Believe me, neither
exist. Most MBAs now graduate seeing how much they can get away with
and have a few of their college buddies who were law students standing
by to keep them out of prison.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the
economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of
fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."
The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two
terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also
extremely flawed.
At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However,
they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT
DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the
50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2
percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that
the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster
claiming credit for the dawn.
Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only
receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3
percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance,
which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8
percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA
tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll.
The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers
to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance
revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical
to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax
hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.
Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation
between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as
suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor
of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.
http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html
By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high
interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal
Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the
economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created
but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All
kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the
economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than
doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies*
handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the
Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of
our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the
Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served
it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a
member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea
that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how
companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over
compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company
makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union
pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to
pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union
pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and
banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as
socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit.
In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of
wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a
whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the
wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the
little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do
not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to
become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting
the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton
"lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were
largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending
millions of jobs overseas.
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal
Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the
management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very
anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government
is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking
has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me
astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for
the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it
simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive
multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net
for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the
corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism,
it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire
Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word.
Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total
government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due
to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic
meddling.
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul
Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has
advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty
confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down
to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the
color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is
well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of
Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies
said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good
thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market
crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic
philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you",
justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social
services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously
biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or
corporate welfare.
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating
constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only
thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from
China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued
prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that
perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into
China's hands.
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that,
because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*,
that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the
person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get?
If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously
suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by
leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a
*woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society.
This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information*
voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher
than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades,
more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that
our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all
other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe
much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are
leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back
to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies
don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists
that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to
continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens,
while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants*
with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist*
and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion
dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one
with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to
bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic
system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism
which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and
suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and
dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares
the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim
those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this
feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk
right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches,
pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and
screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid
the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike.
Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a
glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear
driven.
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his
skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we
had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President,
only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin
and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a
wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your
pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May
God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he
was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a
unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite
all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate
Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment
to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and
history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history
begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who
rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he
at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it
is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the Haves
on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written for the
Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections.
What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds
most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it all
away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s
rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 01:59:23 UTC
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It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and the selfish side of human nature, etc.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."



The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed.


At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn.


Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll.


The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.


Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.









http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.

Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.


Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.


No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas.


I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.


So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!

Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.


Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.


I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.


The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
s3raphita@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 03:41:36 UTC
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Re "And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory":






‘What’s this about my wealth trickling down to poor people?’









---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and the selfish side of human nature, etc.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."



The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed.


At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn.


Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll.


The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.


Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.









http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.

Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.


Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.


No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas.


I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.


So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!

Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.


Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.


I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.


The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 05:17:07 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory":






‘What’s this about my wealth trickling down to poor people?’









---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and the selfish side of human nature, etc.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."



The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed.


At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn.


Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll.


The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.


Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.









http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.

Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.


Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.


No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas.


I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.


So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!

Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.


Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.


I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare.


The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.





From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media


Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.

This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."
Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky

Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them!
After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 14:44:54 UTC
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It's worked every time it has been done.The more money a company makes, the more it can expand and create new and more jobs, more tax payers.It also allows investors to be paid more for their dollar of investment. That means your pension plan thrives instead of shrinks. Almost all major pension plans are heavily invested in big businesses. If you want to screw the big business, you're screwing the all of the investors that hope to retire with a nice pension one day. What goes around , comes around.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and the selfish side of human nature, etc.  

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."

The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed. 
At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn.
Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll. 
The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.
Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.



http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

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By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages. 
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again. 
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas. 
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation.Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. 
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. 
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

 Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.  Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):  “Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”  “What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away." Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.  Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions. Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them! Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.









 

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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 17:39:47 UTC
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So which of the two would you choose, Mike?
A) Champion of the King
B) Champion of the People
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It's worked every time it has been done.The more money a company
makes, the more it can expand and create new and more jobs, more tax
payers.It also allows investors to be paid more for their dollar of
investment. That means your pension plan thrives instead of shrinks.
Almost all major pension plans are heavily invested in big businesses.
If you want to screw the big business, you're screwing the all of the
investors that hope to retire with a nice pension one day. What goes
around , comes around.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 7:59 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the
"trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global
economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and
the selfish side of human nature, etc.
Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the
economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of
fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."
The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two
terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also
extremely flawed.
At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However,
they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT
DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the
50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2
percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that
the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster
claiming credit for the dawn.
Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only
receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3
percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance,
which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8
percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA
tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll.
The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers
to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance
revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical
to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax
hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.
Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation
between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as
suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor
of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.
http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html
By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high
interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal
Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the
economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created
but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All
kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the
economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than
doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies*
handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the
Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of
our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the
Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served
it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a
member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea
that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how
companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over
compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company
makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union
pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to
pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union
pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and
banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as
socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit.
In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of
wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a
whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the
wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the
little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do
not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to
become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting
the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton
"lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were
largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending
millions of jobs overseas.
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal
Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the
management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very
anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government
is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking
has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me
astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for
the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it
simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive
multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net
for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the
corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism,
it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire
Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word.
Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total
government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due
to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic
meddling.
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul
Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has
advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty
confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down
to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the
color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is
well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of
Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies
said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good
thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market
crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic
philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you",
justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social
services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously
biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or
corporate welfare.
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating
constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only
thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from
China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued
prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that
perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into
China's hands.
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that,
because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*,
that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the
person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get?
If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously
suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by
leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a
*woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society.
This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information*
voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher
than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades,
more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that
our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all
other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe
much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are
leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back
to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies
don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists
that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to
continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens,
while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants*
with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist*
and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion
dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one
with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to
bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic
system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism
which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and
suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and
dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares
the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim
those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this
feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk
right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches,
pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and
screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid
the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike.
Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a
glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear
driven.
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his
skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we
had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President,
only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin
and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a
wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your
pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May
God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he
was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a
unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite
all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate
Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment
to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and
history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history
begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who
rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he
at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it
is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the Haves
on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written for the
Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections.
What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds
most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it all
away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s
rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 18:52:42 UTC
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It would depend on who is wisest.We don't have a pure democracy because there are so many idiots out there. It's been said that our current system of government would last until the masses discovered that they could elect people that would open the treasury to them. Well... we've more than reached that point. The current Democratic party is a coalition of the malcontent. They promise everybody with a grievance that they will fix their problems but never do, only promising to do better with more power. They buy votes with one social program after another. Now they need to import voters from abroad by opening borders.



From: "Bhairitu ***@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  So which of the two would you choose, Mike?
A) Champion of the King
B) Champion of  the People

On 12/29/2015 06:44 AM, Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  It's worked every time it has been done.The more money a company makes, the more it can expand and create new and more jobs, more tax payers.It also allows investors to be paid more for their dollar of investment. That means your pension plan thrives instead of shrinks. Almost all major pension plans are heavily invested in big businesses. If you want to screw the big business, you're screwing the all of the investors that hope to retire with a nice pension one day. What goes around , comes around.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and the selfish side of human nature, etc.  

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."

The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed. 
At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn.
Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll. 
The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.
Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.



http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]"<***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages. 
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again. 
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas. 
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation. Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view. You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]"<***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. 
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. 
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.  Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.  Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.  Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]"<***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.   This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):   “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”   “What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."  Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky   Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.   I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.   Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.









 





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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 19:09:37 UTC
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The Democratic Party is not what it used to be. It used to rule in the
South and represented the people. Now it's just Republican Lite. They
keep sending me spam hoping I will sign up. But I've been "decline to
state" or whatever they're calling in now in California. I don't
believe in political parties.

But if you support the people and things that help the populace then you
help everyone including businesses. Don't be confused by liberal
ideologues who pick a cause to align themselves with. True liberals
think and don't march lockstep.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It would depend on who is wisest.
We don't have a pure democracy because there are so many idiots out
there. It's been said that our current system of government would last
until the masses discovered that they could elect people that would
open the treasury to them. Well... we've more than reached that point.
The current Democratic party is a coalition of the malcontent. They
promise everybody with a grievance that they will fix their problems
but never do, only promising to do better with more power. They buy
votes with one social program after another. Now they need to import
voters from abroad by opening borders.
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*Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:39 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
So which of the two would you choose, Mike?
A) Champion of the King
B) Champion of the People
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It's worked every time it has been done.The more money a company
makes, the more it can expand and create new and more jobs, more tax
payers.It also allows investors to be paid more for their dollar of
investment. That means your pension plan thrives instead of shrinks.
Almost all major pension plans are heavily invested in big
businesses. If you want to screw the big business, you're screwing
the all of the investors that hope to retire with a nice pension one
day. What goes around , comes around.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 7:59 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the
"trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global
economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and
the selfish side of human nature, etc.
Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the
economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead
of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."
The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two
terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also
extremely flawed.
At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However,
they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT
DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the
50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2
percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that
the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster
claiming credit for the dawn.
Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only
receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3
percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance,
which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8
percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the
FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll.
The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly
refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social
Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly
hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered
by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.
Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation
between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as
suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in
favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one
of them.
http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html
By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high
interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal
Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the
economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created
but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All
kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the
economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more
than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough
*freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan
drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our
rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet
communism and the Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served
it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a
member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea
that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is
how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over
compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a
company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW,
many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those
profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average
union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to
demonize.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and
banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as
socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit.
In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of
wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a
whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the
wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the
little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits
do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind
quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks,
artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat
bonuses, again.
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton
"lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others
were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and
sending millions of jobs overseas.
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal
Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the
management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very
anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the
government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and
dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans
seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an
excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country,
vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive
multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net
for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the
corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism,
it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire
Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word.
Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total
government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due
to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic
meddling.
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul
Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has
advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am
pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you,
even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the
color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is
well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction
of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his
cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress.
A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the
market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic
philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you",
justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social
services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously
biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or
corporate welfare.
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating
constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only
thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from
China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued
prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that
perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into
China's hands.
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that,
because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*,
that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the
person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you
get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously
suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by
leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a
*woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society.
This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low
information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher
than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades,
more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact
that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of
all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we
owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are
leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories
back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable
allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous
terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle
field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens,
while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants*
with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist*
and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion
dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one
with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to
bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic
system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism
which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and
suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and
dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares
the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim
those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this
feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid
drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming
torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and
dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the
US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a
dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but
it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents
have and it is fear driven.
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his
skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we
had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President,
only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin
and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a
wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your
pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May
God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only
he was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a
unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to
unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical
Marxist/Apostate Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment
to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and
history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history
begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who
rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he
at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what
it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the
Haves on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written for
the Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections.
What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds
most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it all
away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s
rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-29 19:39:23 UTC
Permalink
You could say pretty much the same about the Republican party, that they are just Democrats lite.



From: "Bhairitu ***@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  The Democratic Party is not what it used to be.  It used to rule in the South and represented the people.  Now it's just Republican Lite.  They keep sending me spam hoping I will sign up.  But I've been "decline to state" or whatever they're calling in now in California.  I don't believe in political parties.

But if you support the people and things that help the populace then you help everyone including businesses.  Don't be confused by liberal ideologues who pick a cause to align themselves with.  True liberals think and don't march lockstep.

On 12/29/2015 10:52 AM, Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  It would depend on who is wisest. We don't have a pure democracy because there are so many idiots out there. It's been said that our current system of government would last until the masses discovered that they could elect people that would open the treasury to them. Well... we've more than reached that point. The current Democratic party is a coalition of the malcontent. They promise everybody with a grievance that they will fix their problems but never do, only promising to do better with more power. They buy votes with one social program after another. Now they need to import voters from abroad by opening borders.



From: "Bhairitu ***@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  So which of the two would you choose, Mike?
A) Champion of the King
B) Champion of  the People

On 12/29/2015 06:44 AM, Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  It's worked every time it has been done.The more money a company makes, the more it can expand and create new and more jobs, more tax payers.It also allows investors to be paid more for their dollar of investment. That means your pension plan thrives instead of shrinks. Almost all major pension plans are heavily invested in big businesses. If you want to screw the big business, you're screwing the all of the investors that hope to retire with a nice pension one day. What goes around , comes around.



From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and the selfish side of human nature, etc.  

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same.



From: "***@...[FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled."

The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed. 
At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn.
Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll. 
The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut.
Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them.



http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.



From: "***@...[FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages. 
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again. 
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas. 
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation. Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view. You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.



From: "***@...[FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. 
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. 
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into China's hands. 
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
 Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.  Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.  Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.  Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.

This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.


From: "***@...[FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

  Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head. 
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint.   This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):   “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”   “What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."  Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky   Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.   I say - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.   Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.









 









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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-28 21:13:23 UTC
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Indeed some historians are now alleging that not only Nixon was our most
liberal president but that his plans to get the US out of Vietnam had
the military industrial complex enraged and they used Watergate to get
rid of him.

As for the USSR, it was already heading into bankruptcy by the time of
the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Post by Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high
interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal
Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the
economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created
but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All
kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the
economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than
doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies*
handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the
Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of
our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the
Iron curtain fell.
Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served
it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a
member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea
that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how
companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over
compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company
makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union
pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to
pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union
pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize.
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*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and
banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as
socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit.
In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of
wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a
whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the
wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages.
Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the
little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do
not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to
become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting
the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again.
No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton
"lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were
largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending
millions of jobs overseas.
I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal
Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the
management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very
anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government
is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking
has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me
astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as an excuse for
the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. seeing it
simply as another economic market for further plunder.
So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive
multinational corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net
for those who for whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the
corporate interests that govern us? This is not a cry for socialism,
it is simply a fair thing to do, given the way our system works.
Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire
Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word.
Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total
government control by taxation or regulation.
Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
You're not in favor of *handouts* but.... we don't hand out enough. Right!
Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due
to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic
meddling.
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul
Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has
advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty
confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down
to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*.
Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the
color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is
well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of
Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies
said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good
thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market
crashed.
I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic
philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you",
justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social
services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously
biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or
corporate welfare.
The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating
constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only
thing keeping our economy afloat are all the cheap products from
China, the Far Left, Communist nation, on which our continued
prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is quite funny from that
perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us further into
China's hands.
Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that,
because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*,
that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the
person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get?
If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously
suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by
leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a
*woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society.
This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information*
voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.
Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher
than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades,
more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that
our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all
other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe
much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are
leaving our country in droves.
Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back
to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies
don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists
that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to
continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come
here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens,
while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants*
with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more
Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist*
and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion
dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low
information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one
with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to
bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic
system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism
which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and
suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and
dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.
This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares
the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim
those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this
feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk
right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches,
pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and
screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid
the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike.
Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a
glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear
driven.
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*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:03 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better
Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US
Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his
skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we
had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President,
only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin
and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a
wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your
pointed little head.
Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May
God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!
*/Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their
personhood stinks./**/
/**That iswhat shills like**//**Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he
was /not/ presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a
unifying saint. *
**
*This is why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous /Barack Osama/, the great
divider. He is the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite
all while following the plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate
Jew): *
**
*/“Lest we /**/forget/**/at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment
to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and
history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history
begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who
rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he
at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”/*
*//*
*/“What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it
is to what they believe it should be. The Prince
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince> was written by Machiavelli
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli> for the Haves
on how to hold power. /**Rules for Radicals**/is written for the
Have-Nots on how to take it away."/*
*/Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky/***
**
*Chanukistani proly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections.
What do you expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds
most neo-Marxist. *
**
*I say - /hypocrite swine/ 
 give up your possessions and give it all
away. Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s
rights and possessions. *
**
*Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! *
*After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. *
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 18:26:31 UTC
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Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips.

Happy Kwanzaa! The Holiday Brought to You by the FBI
December 23, 2015

I will not be shooting any Black Panthers this week because I am Kwanza-reform, and we are not that observant. Kwanzaa, celebrated exclusively by white liberals, is a fake holiday invented in 1966 by black radical/FBI stooge Ron Everett -- aka Dr. Maulana Karenga, founder of United Slaves, the violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers. In the annals of the American '60s, Karenga was the Father Gapon, stooge of the czarist police.

In what was ultimately a foolish gambit, during the madness of the '60s, the FBI encouraged the most extreme black nationalist organizations in order to discredit and split the left. The more preposterous the group, the better. By that criterion, Karenga's United Slaves was perfect.


Despite modern perceptions that blend all the black activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites. Although some of their most high-profile leaders were drug dealers and murderers, they did not seek armed revolution.

Those were the precepts of Karenga's United Slaves. The United Slaves were proto-fascists, walking around in dashikis, gunning down Black Panthers and adopting invented "African" names.

And hasn't that been a huge help to the black community?

It's as if David Duke invented a holiday called "Anglika," which he based on the philosophy of "Mein Kampf" -- and clueless public school teachers began celebrating the made-up, racist holiday.

Whether Karenga was a willing FBI dupe, or just a dupe, remains unclear.

In the category of the-gentleman-doth-protest-too-much, back in the '70s, Karenga was quick to criticize Nigerian newspapers that claimed that certain American black radicals were CIA operatives. Karenga publicly denounced the idea, saying, "Africans must stop generalizing about the loyalties and motives of Afro-Americans, including the widespread suspicion of black Americans being CIA agents."

In a 1995 interview with Ethnic NewsWatch, Karenga matter-of-factly explained that the forces out to get O.J. Simpson for the "framed" murder of two whites included: "the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, Interpol, the Chicago Police Department" and so on. Karenga should know about FBI infiltration. (He further noted that the evidence against O.J. did not "eliminate unreasonable doubt" -- an interesting standard of proof.)

Now we know: The FBI fueled the bloody rivalry between the Panthers and United Slaves. In one barbarous outburst, Karenga's United Slaves shot two Black Panthers to death on the UCLA campus: Al "Bunchy" Carter and John Huggins. Karenga himself served time, a useful stepping-stone for his current position as a black studies professor at California State University at Long Beach.

(Speaking of which, Rep. Paul Ryan certainly is right about what a fantastic job his mentor Jack Kemp did reaching out to all those "socially conservative" minorities. Look at how California has swung decisively to the right since Kemp started all that outreach stuff. Good luck winning California now, Democrats!)

Back to the esteemed Cal State professor: Karenga's invented holiday is a nutty blend of schmaltzy '60s rhetoric, black racism and Marxism. The seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another invention of the Worst Generation.

In 1974, Patty Hearst, kidnap victim-cum-SLA revolutionary, posed next to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra. Each snakehead stood for one of the SLA's revolutionary principles: Umoja, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani. These are the exact same seven "principles" of Kwanzaa. And here's something interesting: Kawaida, Kwanzaa and Kuumba are also the only three Kardashian sisters not to have their own shows on the E! Network.

Kwanzaa praises collectivism in every possible area of life -- economics, work, personality, even litter removal. ("Kuumba: Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more beautiful.") It takes a village to raise a police snitch. When Karenga was asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical Marxism," he essentially said that, under Kawaida, we also hate whites.

While taking the "best of early Chinese and Cuban socialism" -- excluding, one hopes, mass murder, forced abortions, imprisonment of homosexuals and forced labor -- Karenga said Kawaida practitioners believe one's racial identity "determines life conditions, life chances and self-understanding."

There's an inclusive philosophy for you!

Kwanzaa was the result of a '60s psychosis grafted onto the black community with the tacit encouragement of the FBI. Liberals have become so mesmerized by multicultural gibberish that they have forgotten the real history of Kwanzaa and Karenga's United Slaves -- the violence, the Marxism, the insanity.

Most absurdly, for leftists anyway, they have forgotten the FBI's tacit encouragement of this murderous black nationalist cult founded by the father of Kwanzaa.

Kwanzaa emerged not from Africa, but from the FBI's COINTELPRO.

Sing to "Jingle Bells":

Kwanzaa bells, dashikis sell
Whitey has to pay;
Burning, shooting, oh what fun
On this made-up holiday!


Only white liberals take Kwanzaa seriously. American Blacks celebrate Christmas. (Merry Christmas, fellow Christians!)
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 18:54:12 UTC
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PS: courtesy of Ann Coulter
emily.mae50@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 02:04:40 UTC
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Really? You read Ann Coulter? She spews pure invective.


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s3raphita@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-27 00:00:34 UTC
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Re "Each snakehead stood for one of the [Symbionese Liberation Army's] revolutionary principles: Umoja, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani. These are the exact same seven "principles" of Kwanzaa." :


Well yes. But to be clear, the SLA simply copied them from the pre-existing Kwanzaa cult (not vice-versa) - just as they copied sub-Marxist drivel.
olliesedwuz@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 10:24:32 UTC
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I don't consider Mr. Trump to be qualified as President, however this article lays out plainly the sleazy hatchet job that many establishment news outlets are giving him. He is a businessman, and the object in business is to win. That is his skill. I also appreciate that no one owns him.

I like a fair fight. If he is so horrible, then beat him by providing thoughtful alternatives. Putting words in his mouth just makes those who do it look weak, and lacking in integrity.


It is telling that the political class has lied to the masses for so long, always promising to fix the same broken stuff, that it has given someone with no formal political background the ability to not only enter the Presidential race, but blow away the competition as if they don't exist.


I for one am enjoying watching the empty suits squirm around Trump, though he will not get my vote.
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Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view?

Salon
Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC
The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty
Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough
Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300


It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump.
Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.


But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways.


In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.”


I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said:
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. [
] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”


You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed.


Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways:
The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”


Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border.


The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words can be used against anyone.
For example, on October 7, at a Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton answered the question: “Which enemy are you most proud of?” She replied: “In addition to the NRA, um, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, um, the Iranians.”
If you do to her what the media did to Trump, then you should believe that Hillary Clinton is proud to be the enemy of 77 million citizens of Iran, plus millions more living outside Iran, including mothers, children, and disabled people. But that’s not what she meant.


On November 6, at the MSNBC Democratic Candidates Forum, Bernie Sanders said: “we have to pass a constitutional amendment that everyone in America who is 18 years old or older is registered to vote.” He said everyone. Someone might then write: “He proposed that everyone who is in the U.S. should vote, everyone who is 18, even illegal immigrants, tourists, and terrorists.” But that’s not what he meant.


It is no wonder that many people think the media is grossly dishonest. No wonder Mr. Trump’s critiques of the media make his followers cheer.


Trump was discussing crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Is it true that some people who illegally cross the border from Mexico are good? Yes. Is it true that some others commit crimes? Yes. Is that a problem? People disagree. Some conjecture that unauthorized immigrants don’t commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. But crimes by unauthorized immigrants, even murders, would not have happened if those individuals had not entered the U.S.


Time for a disclosure. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. Spanish is my first language. I voted for Obama. I live in liberal Austin, Texas, where I work as a tenured professor of history. I’ve never voted for a Republican. My preferred candidate for U.S. president would be Elizabeth Warren. Since she is not running, my preferred candidate is Bernie Sanders.


Anyhow, discussions about illegal immigration are ruined by lack of data. I asked my friends, university faculty: “How many people do you think are deported per year in the U.S.?”


One of my friends guessed 3,000. Another guessed 10,000. Another guessed 50,000—which would really be a lot of people, imagine.


Actually, in fiscal year 2014, the U.S. deported a total of 893,238 https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-releases-end-year-statistics foreigners! That’s a huge number. It includes 577,295 deported by the Department of Homeland Security, plus 315,943 deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Among the latter, 2,802 were classified as suspected or confirmed gang members.


Since 1990, the average is 1.2 million deportations per year. The highest in U.S. history https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table39_0.xls was 1.86 million foreigners deported in the year 2000. That’s astonishing.
How many were criminals?


We don’t know because most criminals are not caught. Plus, many who are accused are not convicted because of a lack of evidence. Still, in 2014, the U.S. deported 177,960 convicted criminals. Surprisingly, 91,037 https://www.ice.gov/removal-statisticswere already convicted criminals before they even entered the U.S.


At the University of Texas at Austin, the football stadium can seat 100,119 people. I have seen it full. I’ve see more than 100,000 people at once—it’s an incredible sight. It’s a staggering swarm of people. I have seen them yelling all at once.
It is utterly astonishing to me that this stadium would fail to seat all the convicted criminals deported in a single year.


Back to Mr. Trump. Did he unfairly single out Mexicans when complaining about crimes by unauthorized immigrants?


By far, most Mexicans are good people. However, since Mexico shares a large frontier with the U.S., and many Mexicans face economic hardships, most of the reported illegal immigration into the U.S. is from Mexico. Accordingly, in recent years roughly 76% of criminal unauthorized immigrants https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table41d.xls are from Mexico.


What kinds of crime? It is strangely difficult to find national statistics on homicides, sexual assaults, and thefts, by unauthorized immigrants. But there is relevant data for some states.


The Texas Department of Public Safety identified 207,076 https://minutemanproject.com/3089-homicides-by-illegal-immigrants-since-2008-in-texas/ foreign aliens who were booked into Texas county jails from October 2008 through August 1, 2014. Their term “foreign aliens” includes both foreigners who are in Texas legally and foreigners who entered illegally. They were accused of 357,884 crimes in those 70 months, including these charges: 4,413 terroristic threats, 60,973 robberies and larcenies, 6,636 vehicle thefts, 78,682 assaults, 12,869 sexual assaults and offenses, 1,113 kidnapping, and 3,089 homicides.


That includes, an average of 1,383 charges of sexual assaults per year, in Texas alone. The real number of rapes and sexual assaults is larger since many victims do not report these crimes. According to the National Crime and Victimization Survey, 2008-2012, approximately 68% https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates of sexual assault crimes are not reported. So I estimate that foreigners commit roughly 4,000 sexual assaults in Texas each year.
In Texas, roughly 529 foreigners per year were accused of committing murder. Plus, the FBI reports that 36% http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved of homicides nationwide remain unsolved.


These crime rates are staggering and offensive. None of the women and men who were killed in by unauthorized immigrants in Texas would have died if the murderers had not entered the U.S. illegally.


These are not just words. Pause for a moment to think about a Texas woman whose husband was murdered one night. Think about parents who never saw their son again because he was murdered. Think of the thousands of families standing at the cemeteries.


I’ve only summarized murders and sexual assaults. Consider drugs and drug violence. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs come from Mexico, including most cocaine and heroine. Most methamphetamines also are smuggled from Mexico. The 2015 National Drug Threat Survey http://www.dea.gov/docs/2015%20NDTA%20Report.pdf finds that methamphetamines are the drugs that most contribute to property crimes and violent crimes. You get the point. There are tremendous problems of drugs, murders, and rapes caused at the porous border.


Without knowing the data, it was easy to be offended by Mr. Trump’s crude words when he announced his candidacy. However, seeing the data above, I understand his concerns.


Here’s what Trump said right after his words quoted above:
“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”


We can disagree about some points. Is the Mexican government really sending criminals to the U.S.? On July 5, Trump said: “The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” This claim might be false if Mexico does not intentionally send criminals to the US. At its best, this statement seems plausible if Trump meant that conditions generated in Mexico by its government lead some criminals to the U.S.
In any case, Trump proposes to secure the southern border by implementing various security measures. His most recurring proposal is to build a wall, along areas of the border lacking natural barriers.


His proposal has been widely criticized. Some people construed it as a sign of racism, xenophobia, etc. However, I can understand why many of Trump’s followers actually cheer: “Build the Wall! Build the Wall!”


First, there are the worries about murders, drugs, crimes, and terrorism. Presently, countless many unauthorized immigrants walk into the country, unchecked. In fiscal year 2014, the Border Patrol made 468,407 apprehensions along the southwest border. By comparison, the Border Patrol only made 18,244 apprehensions in all other regions.


But one point sticks in my mind. Namely this: there already exist a long series of fences and walls between Mexico and the U.S. These fences and walls span parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. As of early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 652 miles of fences and walls. Trump did not build all that. It was mandated by Congress. Walls are common along many countries’ borders, such as Spain, China, France, Greece, Pakistan, Israel, etc. The border between the U.S. and Mexico spans roughly 1,950 miles. Trump wants a wall that will be 1,000 miles long, including areas already covered.


I’m not trying to convince you about a wall. My point is just that it’s neither impossible nor ridiculous. A main reason why many border areas have fences instead of walls is just that walls are more expensive.


Trump says that everyone who didn’t enter the U.S. legally should return to their countries. “They have to go.” We might well disagree. But his view is closer to Immigration law. If you prefer amnesty then lawmakers have to create a law to that effect. Trump insists: “I want people to come in, but they have to come in legally.”
Regardless, countless many people think that Trump is racist against Mexicans. I suggest that anyone who thinks that should count how many times Trump has praised Mexicans.

Most unauthorized immigrants are good people. But still, the media wrongly blamed Mr. Trump for their own misrepresentations.
More Alberto A. Martinez.


Trump is a narcissistic baby who has a mind as small as his ego is big. He is interested only in "winning" attention, accolades and being able, in the end, to stand on a mountain of bodies consisting of his competitors and beating his pathetic chest and trumpeting his greatness to anyone stupid enough to listen. I don't need any stinkin' professor to tell me Mr Trump has been misinterpreted and misrepresented. The guy is who he is and he's a waste of space.
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2015-12-26 14:41:58 UTC
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I think Trump deserves all the brickbats that are being thrown at him.


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I don't consider Mr. Trump to be qualified as President, however this article lays out plainly the sleazy hatchet job that many establishment news outlets are giving him. He is a businessman, and the object in business is to win. That is his skill. I also appreciate that no one owns him.

I like a fair fight. If he is so horrible, then beat him by providing thoughtful alternatives. Putting words in his mouth just makes those who do it look weak, and lacking in integrity.


It is telling that the political class has lied to the masses for so long, always promising to fix the same broken stuff, that it has given someone with no formal political background the ability to not only enter the Presidential race, but blow away the competition as if they don't exist.


I for one am enjoying watching the empty suits squirm around Trump, though he will not get my vote.
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Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view?

Salon
Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC
The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty
Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough
Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300


It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump.
Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.


But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways.


In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.”


I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said:
“When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. [
] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.”


You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed.


Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways:
The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”


Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border.


The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words can be used against anyone.
For example, on October 7, at a Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton answered the question: “Which enemy are you most proud of?” She replied: “In addition to the NRA, um, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, um, the Iranians.”
If you do to her what the media did to Trump, then you should believe that Hillary Clinton is proud to be the enemy of 77 million citizens of Iran, plus millions more living outside Iran, including mothers, children, and disabled people. But that’s not what she meant.


On November 6, at the MSNBC Democratic Candidates Forum, Bernie Sanders said: “we have to pass a constitutional amendment that everyone in America who is 18 years old or older is registered to vote.” He said everyone. Someone might then write: “He proposed that everyone who is in the U.S. should vote, everyone who is 18, even illegal immigrants, tourists, and terrorists.” But that’s not what he meant.


It is no wonder that many people think the media is grossly dishonest. No wonder Mr. Trump’s critiques of the media make his followers cheer.


Trump was discussing crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Is it true that some people who illegally cross the border from Mexico are good? Yes. Is it true that some others commit crimes? Yes. Is that a problem? People disagree. Some conjecture that unauthorized immigrants don’t commit more crimes than U.S. citizens. But crimes by unauthorized immigrants, even murders, would not have happened if those individuals had not entered the U.S.


Time for a disclosure. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. Spanish is my first language. I voted for Obama. I live in liberal Austin, Texas, where I work as a tenured professor of history. I’ve never voted for a Republican. My preferred candidate for U.S. president would be Elizabeth Warren. Since she is not running, my preferred candidate is Bernie Sanders.


Anyhow, discussions about illegal immigration are ruined by lack of data. I asked my friends, university faculty: “How many people do you think are deported per year in the U.S.?”


One of my friends guessed 3,000. Another guessed 10,000. Another guessed 50,000—which would really be a lot of people, imagine.


Actually, in fiscal year 2014, the U.S. deported a total of 893,238 https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-releases-end-year-statistics foreigners! That’s a huge number. It includes 577,295 deported by the Department of Homeland Security, plus 315,943 deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Among the latter, 2,802 were classified as suspected or confirmed gang members.


Since 1990, the average is 1.2 million deportations per year. The highest in U.S. history https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table39_0.xls was 1.86 million foreigners deported in the year 2000. That’s astonishing.
How many were criminals?


We don’t know because most criminals are not caught. Plus, many who are accused are not convicted because of a lack of evidence. Still, in 2014, the U.S. deported 177,960 convicted criminals. Surprisingly, 91,037 https://www.ice.gov/removal-statisticswere already convicted criminals before they even entered the U.S.


At the University of Texas at Austin, the football stadium can seat 100,119 people. I have seen it full. I’ve see more than 100,000 people at once—it’s an incredible sight. It’s a staggering swarm of people. I have seen them yelling all at once.
It is utterly astonishing to me that this stadium would fail to seat all the convicted criminals deported in a single year.


Back to Mr. Trump. Did he unfairly single out Mexicans when complaining about crimes by unauthorized immigrants?


By far, most Mexicans are good people. However, since Mexico shares a large frontier with the U.S., and many Mexicans face economic hardships, most of the reported illegal immigration into the U.S. is from Mexico. Accordingly, in recent years roughly 76% of criminal unauthorized immigrants https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table41d.xls are from Mexico.


What kinds of crime? It is strangely difficult to find national statistics on homicides, sexual assaults, and thefts, by unauthorized immigrants. But there is relevant data for some states.


The Texas Department of Public Safety identified 207,076 https://minutemanproject.com/3089-homicides-by-illegal-immigrants-since-2008-in-texas/ foreign aliens who were booked into Texas county jails from October 2008 through August 1, 2014. Their term “foreign aliens” includes both foreigners who are in Texas legally and foreigners who entered illegally. They were accused of 357,884 crimes in those 70 months, including these charges: 4,413 terroristic threats, 60,973 robberies and larcenies, 6,636 vehicle thefts, 78,682 assaults, 12,869 sexual assaults and offenses, 1,113 kidnapping, and 3,089 homicides.


That includes, an average of 1,383 charges of sexual assaults per year, in Texas alone. The real number of rapes and sexual assaults is larger since many victims do not report these crimes. According to the National Crime and Victimization Survey, 2008-2012, approximately 68% https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates of sexual assault crimes are not reported. So I estimate that foreigners commit roughly 4,000 sexual assaults in Texas each year.
In Texas, roughly 529 foreigners per year were accused of committing murder. Plus, the FBI reports that 36% http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395069137/open-cases-why-one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved of homicides nationwide remain unsolved.


These crime rates are staggering and offensive. None of the women and men who were killed in by unauthorized immigrants in Texas would have died if the murderers had not entered the U.S. illegally.


These are not just words. Pause for a moment to think about a Texas woman whose husband was murdered one night. Think about parents who never saw their son again because he was murdered. Think of the thousands of families standing at the cemeteries.


I’ve only summarized murders and sexual assaults. Consider drugs and drug violence. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs come from Mexico, including most cocaine and heroine. Most methamphetamines also are smuggled from Mexico. The 2015 National Drug Threat Survey http://www.dea.gov/docs/2015%20NDTA%20Report.pdf finds that methamphetamines are the drugs that most contribute to property crimes and violent crimes. You get the point. There are tremendous problems of drugs, murders, and rapes caused at the porous border.


Without knowing the data, it was easy to be offended by Mr. Trump’s crude words when he announced his candidacy. However, seeing the data above, I understand his concerns.


Here’s what Trump said right after his words quoted above:
“And it only makes common sense, it only makes common sense: they’re sending us not the right people, and it’s coming from more than Mexico, it’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know because we have no protection, and we have no competence. We don’t know what’s happening. And it’s gotta stop. And it’s gotta stop fast.”


We can disagree about some points. Is the Mexican government really sending criminals to the U.S.? On July 5, Trump said: “The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.” This claim might be false if Mexico does not intentionally send criminals to the US. At its best, this statement seems plausible if Trump meant that conditions generated in Mexico by its government lead some criminals to the U.S.
In any case, Trump proposes to secure the southern border by implementing various security measures. His most recurring proposal is to build a wall, along areas of the border lacking natural barriers.


His proposal has been widely criticized. Some people construed it as a sign of racism, xenophobia, etc. However, I can understand why many of Trump’s followers actually cheer: “Build the Wall! Build the Wall!”


First, there are the worries about murders, drugs, crimes, and terrorism. Presently, countless many unauthorized immigrants walk into the country, unchecked. In fiscal year 2014, the Border Patrol made 468,407 apprehensions along the southwest border. By comparison, the Border Patrol only made 18,244 apprehensions in all other regions.


But one point sticks in my mind. Namely this: there already exist a long series of fences and walls between Mexico and the U.S. These fences and walls span parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. As of early 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 652 miles of fences and walls. Trump did not build all that. It was mandated by Congress. Walls are common along many countries’ borders, such as Spain, China, France, Greece, Pakistan, Israel, etc. The border between the U.S. and Mexico spans roughly 1,950 miles. Trump wants a wall that will be 1,000 miles long, including areas already covered.


I’m not trying to convince you about a wall. My point is just that it’s neither impossible nor ridiculous. A main reason why many border areas have fences instead of walls is just that walls are more expensive.


Trump says that everyone who didn’t enter the U.S. legally should return to their countries. “They have to go.” We might well disagree. But his view is closer to Immigration law. If you prefer amnesty then lawmakers have to create a law to that effect. Trump insists: “I want people to come in, but they have to come in legally.”
Regardless, countless many people think that Trump is racist against Mexicans. I suggest that anyone who thinks that should count how many times Trump has praised Mexicans.

Most unauthorized immigrants are good people. But still, the media wrongly blamed Mr. Trump for their own misrepresentations.
More Alberto A. Martinez.


Trump is a narcissistic baby who has a mind as small as his ego is big. He is interested only in "winning" attention, accolades and being able, in the end, to stand on a mountain of bodies consisting of his competitors and beating his pathetic chest and trumpeting his greatness to anyone stupid enough to listen. I don't need any stinkin' professor to tell me Mr Trump has been misinterpreted and misrepresented. The guy is who he is and he's a waste of space.
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-12-26 17:29:43 UTC
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Wuz sez –

... however this article lays out plainly the sleazy hatchet job that many establishment news outlets are giving him.

Both the Demon.Crats and Republi.Scams fear him. Thus the elite$, who own the media, have their running-dog flunkies shill for them against Trump. However, it doesn’t much matter since both parties are basically just two sides of the same Statist government.

However, if the Republi.Scams suppress or excise Trump’s in the convention then they will finalize their own demise. No Et tu Bruté to the cheers of patricians will be tolerated. The common citizenry, who now only faintly support the Repuli.Scams, will not tolerate this kind of fratricide.
William Leed WLeed3@aol.com [FairfieldLife]
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yU SPOT ON KEEP THE gOV HANDS OFF OUR GUNS. 1688 IT BEGIN WITH THE eNGLISH bILL OF RIGHTS v THE CROWN



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You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy.



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I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere.










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Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant.

Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans.



This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have and it is fear driven.









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Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed little head.


Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless Barack Hussein Obama!!!

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Someone's"principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.

That is what shills likeOprahclaimed about “The One”. Only he was not presented as a “stinking personhood”but rather as a unifying saint.

Thisis why Em’ likes him 
 wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He isthe epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following theplan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew):

“Lest we forget at least anover-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all ourlegends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves offand history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man whorebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at leastwon his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

“What follows is for thosewho want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.The Prince was written by Machiavellifor the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how totake it away."
Rules for Radicals,Saul Alinsky

Chanukistaniproly double votes 
 both Canadian and US elections. What do you expect from a dual?Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist.

Isay - hypocrite swine 
 give up your possessions and give it all away.Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and possessions.

Don’tworry though - Hillary will show them!
Afterall, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too.
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