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Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?
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Dominik Schuler espiderman108@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 11:56:44 UTC
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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
anartaxius@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 15:41:20 UTC
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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 17:57:21 UTC
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. 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salyavin808
2015-01-28 18:13:21 UTC
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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




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Heavenly Mountain Property Auction http://motherdivine.org/email/updates/2012_10_hm_auction.html




This is the outfit that owns it now:
http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html

http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 18:29:11 UTC
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Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.

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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News
|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| High Country NewsWhat’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet. |
| |
| View on highcountrypress.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |



|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| Heavenly Mountain Property Auction• Three large buildings totaling 218,000 square feet   • Peaceful area with spectacular long-range views The main building includes 112 suites (many with |
| |
| View on motherdivine.org | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |

 Heavenly Mountain Property Auction

This is the outfit that owns it now:http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches

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salyavin808
2015-01-28 18:50:16 UTC
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Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.



Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.


Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.


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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




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From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 19:07:39 UTC
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What kinder good time?

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:50 PM
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.

Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.
Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News
|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| High Country NewsWhat’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet. |
| |
| View on highcountrypress.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |



|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| Heavenly Mountain Property Auction• Three large buildings totaling 218,000 square feet   • Peaceful area with spectacular long-range views The main building includes 112 suites (many with |
| |
| View on motherdivine.org | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |

 Heavenly Mountain Property Auction

This is the outfit that owns it now:http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches



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salyavin808
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What kinder good time?


Heh heh. Wait until my book comes out. Actually, wait until I write it and find a publisher.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.



Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.


Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm

http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm





High Country News http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm What’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet.



View on highcountrypress.com http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm
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Heavenly Mountain Property Auction http://motherdivine.org/email/updates/2012_10_hm_auction.html • Three large buildings totaling 218,000 square feet • Peaceful area with spectacular long-range views The main building includes 112 suites (many with



View on motherdivine.org http://motherdivine.org/email/updates/2012_10_hm_auction.html
Preview by Yahoo




Heavenly Mountain Property Auction http://motherdivine.org/email/updates/2012_10_hm_auction.html




This is the outfit that owns it now:
http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html

http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 19:54:44 UTC
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

What kinder good time?

Heh heh. Wait until my book comes out. Actually, wait until I write it and find a publisher.
I just have to comment on this because the other day I went with a friend into Amsterdam to have a five-minute sitdown with a publisher who was there allowing people to pitch their book ideas to him. He's done this before, and he's actually ended up "discovering" a few writers and publishing them. My friend wanted to go because she's been seriously working on a book idea for a while and wanted to pitch it to him. I tagged along because it seemed like such a weird thing to do, but the problem was that I didn't have a book idea to pitch him. So I dashed one out the night before and took it with me and did my 5-minute "elevator pitch" to him, just for the fun of it.

The problem was that he actually liked it and wanted to see pages. Now I have to write them. Bummer.  :-)
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.

Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.
Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News
|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| High Country NewsWhat’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet. |
| |
| View on highcountrypress.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |



|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| Heavenly Mountain Property Auction• Three large buildings totaling 218,000 square feet   • Peaceful area with spectacular long-range views The main building includes 112 suites (many with |
| |
| View on motherdivine.org | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |

 Heavenly Mountain Property Auction

This is the outfit that owns it now:http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches





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TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 20:11:52 UTC
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From: "TurquoiseBee ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

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What kinder good time?

Heh heh. Wait until my book comes out. Actually, wait until I write it and find a publisher.
I just have to comment on this because the other day I went with a friend into Amsterdam to have a five-minute sitdown with a publisher who was there allowing people to pitch their book ideas to him. He's done this before, and he's actually ended up "discovering" a few writers and publishing them. My friend wanted to go because she's been seriously working on a book idea for a while and wanted to pitch it to him. I tagged along because it seemed like such a weird thing to do, but the problem was that I didn't have a book idea to pitch him. So I dashed one out the night before and took it with me and did my 5-minute "elevator pitch" to him, just for the fun of it.

The problem was that he actually liked it and wanted to see pages. Now I have to write them. Bummer.  :-)
OK, I can't resist. I'll probably never get around to writing it because I've got a few better ideas that interest me more, but since the idea is already all copyrighted and all, and because nobody else could probably write it the way I would even if they stole the idea, and because some here might get a kick out of the idea, here it is.

Brahmaloka Blues

Sam is a private detective, barely eking out a living inthe Red Light District of Amsterdam in the year 2032. He's not a very gooddetective, so his clients tend to be artificially-created robosex workers whofeel that they're being discriminated against, in flagrant disregard of the2027 Replicant Protection Act. It's basicfollow-the-client-and-take-point-and-shoot-video-of-scumbags-trying-to-hurt-them-or-extort-money-from-themwork, and it's boring, but it pays the bills.
And then one day into Sam's office walks Lakshmi, thecurrent queen of the Red Light District. She's a veritable celebrity -- sixfeet tall, wearing a sari like her Hindu goddess namesake, with dark hairflowing to her waist, sumptuous breasts, and four working arms and hands.That's what the Replicant designers thought would appeal to Hindu touristslooking for a little robosex adventure, and boy! were they right. Guys justcouldn't *wait* to get some of that action, and she quickly developed a lot ofloyal female customers as well, so now she's the hottest ticket in town.
But as Lakshmiexplains why she's here to see Sam, it becomes obvious that she's not popularwith everybody. She's been getting death threats lately, and that's where itgets weird. They're from Hindu supremacists. And it's not that they're offendedbecause she's been designed to look like one of their goddesses and they thinkthat's heresy. It's that some of Lakshmi's customers are so taken with her thatinstead of paying to have sex with her they've starting paying so that they canfall at her feet and worship her and pray to her to grant them miracles. Whatthe Hindu supremacists are pissed about is that the miracles have actually beenhappening.

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:50 PM
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Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.

Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.
Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.
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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


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From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches







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salyavin808
2015-01-28 20:32:15 UTC
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Excellent premise. I look forward to seeing it in the next Sci-Fi Masterworks catalogue.


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From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

What kinder good time?


Heh heh. Wait until my book comes out. Actually, wait until I write it and find a publisher.


I just have to comment on this because the other day I went with a friend into Amsterdam to have a five-minute sitdown with a publisher who was there allowing people to pitch their book ideas to him. He's done this before, and he's actually ended up "discovering" a few writers and publishing them. My friend wanted to go because she's been seriously working on a book idea for a while and wanted to pitch it to him. I tagged along because it seemed like such a weird thing to do, but the problem was that I didn't have a book idea to pitch him. So I dashed one out the night before and took it with me and did my 5-minute "elevator pitch" to him, just for the fun of it.



The problem was that he actually liked it and wanted to see pages. Now I have to write them. Bummer. :-)


OK, I can't resist. I'll probably never get around to writing it because I've got a few better ideas that interest me more, but since the idea is already all copyrighted and all, and because nobody else could probably write it the way I would even if they stole the idea, and because some here might get a kick out of the idea, here it is.





Brahmaloka Blues



Sam is a private detective, barely eking out a living in the Red Light District of Amsterdam in the year 2032. He's not a very good detective, so his clients tend to be artificially-created robosex workers who feel that they're being discriminated against, in flagrant disregard of the 2027 Replicant Protection Act. It's basic follow-the-client-and-take-point-and-shoot-video-of-scumbags-trying-to-hurt-them-or-extort-money-from-them work, and it's boring, but it pays the bills.


And then one day into Sam's office walks Lakshmi, the current queen of the Red Light District. She's a veritable celebrity -- six feet tall, wearing a sari like her Hindu goddess namesake, with dark hair flowing to her waist, sumptuous breasts, and four working arms and hands. That's what the Replicant designers thought would appeal to Hindu tourists looking for a little robosex adventure, and boy! were they right. Guys just couldn't *wait* to get some of that action, and she quickly developed a lot of loyal female customers as well, so now she's the hottest ticket in town.


But as Lakshmi explains why she's here to see Sam, it becomes obvious that she's not popular with everybody. She's been getting death threats lately, and that's where it gets weird. They're from Hindu supremacists. And it's not that they're offended because she's been designed to look like one of their goddesses and they think that's heresy. It's that some of Lakshmi's customers are so taken with her that instead of paying to have sex with her they've starting paying so that they can fall at her feet and worship her and pray to her to grant them miracles. What the Hindu supremacists are pissed about is that the miracles have actually been happening.




From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.



Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.


Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




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This is the outfit that owns it now:
http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 21:52:31 UTC
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God Damn! That is good - come on write it please!

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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

What kinder good time?

Heh heh. Wait until my book comes out. Actually, wait until I write it and find a publisher.
I just have to comment on this because the other day I went with a friend into Amsterdam to have a five-minute sitdown with a publisher who was there allowing people to pitch their book ideas to him. He's done this before, and he's actually ended up "discovering" a few writers and publishing them. My friend wanted to go because she's been seriously working on a book idea for a while and wanted to pitch it to him. I tagged along because it seemed like such a weird thing to do, but the problem was that I didn't have a book idea to pitch him. So I dashed one out the night before and took it with me and did my 5-minute "elevator pitch" to him, just for the fun of it.

The problem was that he actually liked it and wanted to see pages. Now I have to write them. Bummer.  :-)
OK, I can't resist. I'll probably never get around to writing it because I've got a few better ideas that interest me more, but since the idea is already all copyrighted and all, and because nobody else could probably write it the way I would even if they stole the idea, and because some here might get a kick out of the idea, here it is.

Brahmaloka Blues

Sam is a private detective, barely eking out a living inthe Red Light District of Amsterdam in the year 2032. He's not a very gooddetective, so his clients tend to be artificially-created robosex workers whofeel that they're being discriminated against, in flagrant disregard of the2027 Replicant Protection Act. It's basicfollow-the-client-and-take-point-and-shoot-video-of-scumbags-trying-to-hurt-them-or-extort-money-from-themwork, and it's boring, but it pays the bills.
And then one day into Sam's office walks Lakshmi, thecurrent queen of the Red Light District. She's a veritable celebrity -- sixfeet tall, wearing a sari like her Hindu goddess namesake, with dark hairflowing to her waist, sumptuous breasts, and four working arms and hands.That's what the Replicant designers thought would appeal to Hindu touristslooking for a little robosex adventure, and boy! were they right. Guys justcouldn't *wait* to get some of that action, and she quickly developed a lot ofloyal female customers as well, so now she's the hottest ticket in town.
But as Lakshmiexplains why she's here to see Sam, it becomes obvious that she's not popularwith everybody. She's been getting death threats lately, and that's where itgets weird. They're from Hindu supremacists. And it's not that they're offendedbecause she's been designed to look like one of their goddesses and they thinkthat's heresy. It's that some of Lakshmi's customers are so taken with her thatinstead of paying to have sex with her they've starting paying so that they canfall at her feet and worship her and pray to her to grant them miracles. Whatthe Hindu supremacists are pissed about is that the miracles have actually beenhappening.

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Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.

Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.
Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.
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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


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 Heavenly Mountain Property Auction

This is the outfit that owns it now:http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches









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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 21:50:06 UTC
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I can't tell if you are joking or not but I want to read the book if you ever publish it - will it come out in Dutch first? And which publisher does this? I am impressed with their willingness to make themselves accessible.

From: "TurquoiseBee ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

What kinder good time?

Heh heh. Wait until my book comes out. Actually, wait until I write it and find a publisher.
I just have to comment on this because the other day I went with a friend into Amsterdam to have a five-minute sitdown with a publisher who was there allowing people to pitch their book ideas to him. He's done this before, and he's actually ended up "discovering" a few writers and publishing them. My friend wanted to go because she's been seriously working on a book idea for a while and wanted to pitch it to him. I tagged along because it seemed like such a weird thing to do, but the problem was that I didn't have a book idea to pitch him. So I dashed one out the night before and took it with me and did my 5-minute "elevator pitch" to him, just for the fun of it.

The problem was that he actually liked it and wanted to see pages. Now I have to write them. Bummer.  :-)
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.

Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.
Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News
|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| High Country NewsWhat’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet. |
| |
| View on highcountrypress.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |



|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| Heavenly Mountain Property Auction• Three large buildings totaling 218,000 square feet   • Peaceful area with spectacular long-range views The main building includes 112 suites (many with |
| |
| View on motherdivine.org | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |

 Heavenly Mountain Property Auction

This is the outfit that owns it now:http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches







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TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Definitely not joking. My friend heard about it from some people in her book club, and she told me about it the day before the event. It seems that this guy is famous for doing this here:
http://www.abc.nl/frontpage/events/index.php?show=details&place=abc&event=1436
Because we were first in line and there were only about seven people signed up to pitch their books to him when he arrived, we got five minutes or more instead of the advertised one minute. To be honest, the whole reason I dashed off a story idea the night before and went was because it's not every day you get to pitch your book to the Big Lebowski. :-)
And he *did* seem to like my basic idea, although he warned me that I'd have to be a helluva writer to pull of the kind of "hybrid" book I have in mind. I pitched it as "Raymond Chandler meets Christopher Moore in a Blade Runner universe," and that's what I had in mind -- the basic format of a Chandler detective novel, but set in a futuristic, Blade Runner-like Amsterdam, and with Chris Moore-like humor and weirdness.

The miracles being attributed to Lakshimi, after all, really *are* happening. As followers of FFL and our ongoing discussions know, that doesn't really require anything mystical or magical -- if someone prays to the man-made, four-armed hooker they believe is the goddess Lakshmi incarnate to cure their cancer or help their business thrive, the Placebo Effect would supply all the magic needed to make it happen.

To be kept in mind, of course, is that Oscar -- as nice as he was to not only listen to my pitch but offer advice -- did *not* actually offer to publish it. Although it didn't really come up, I think he sensed that this was an idea that I thought up the night before, and so he asked to see some pages.

That's the real "acid test," both from his side and from mine. I have ideas like this all the time, but most of them don't "stick," and I lose interest in them before I actually write the story or book. This could be another one. But I have a few "days off" from my regular writing gig coming up, so maybe I'll give this one a shot. It would be hard work -- having to spend 5€ each direction to go into Amsterdam, and then having to sit in cafes in the Red Light District getting drunk or stoned or both and writing up my impressions of what it'll look like in 18 years, but this is the sort of back-breaking work that a writer has to deal with.  :-)
I *do* really like the Lakshmi character -- in my mind she's a lot like Moreena Baccarin's character of Inara in "Firefly," only with four arms -- and I like the idea of trying to figure out how one of my favorite weird places in the world (Amsterdam's Red Light District) will get even weirder in the future. Non-human sexbots are a given...the Japanese are already working on robotic versions of them. My version would be more lab-developed replicants a la Blade Runner...grown in a lab from human eggs and sperm, but then manipulated genetically to produce certain characteristics. By the time my story takes place, these replicants have not only proved that they can achieve sentience, they've been "liberated" and theoretically been granted the same rights as natural-born humans. So the obvious next step is for one of them to become a god. Goddess, actually.  :-)
Here's the two-armed version:


From: "Michael Jackson ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

I can't tell if you are joking or not but I want to read the book if you ever publish it - will it come out in Dutch first? And which publisher does this? I am impressed with their willingness to make themselves accessible.


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What kinder good time?

Heh heh. Wait until my book comes out. Actually, wait until I write it and find a publisher.
I just have to comment on this because the other day I went with a friend into Amsterdam to have a five-minute sitdown with a publisher who was there allowing people to pitch their book ideas to him. He's done this before, and he's actually ended up "discovering" a few writers and publishing them. My friend wanted to go because she's been seriously working on a book idea for a while and wanted to pitch it to him. I tagged along because it seemed like such a weird thing to do, but the problem was that I didn't have a book idea to pitch him. So I dashed one out the night before and took it with me and did my 5-minute "elevator pitch" to him, just for the fun of it.

The problem was that he actually liked it and wanted to see pages. Now I have to write them. Bummer.  :-)
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Good Gravy! I have never heard that one.

Good bit of PR I thought, us meditator's fulfilling the vision of the medicine man. I wanted to go anyway, back then I thought purusha was my destiny. That didn't last long I'm happy to say with hindsight, but I was annoyed to be one of the only ones left behind at the time.
Still, I made the most of it with a year long rounding course by the sea in the mediterranean where a good time was had by all. Oh yes.
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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches









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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches

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salyavin808
2015-01-28 18:52:16 UTC
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Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm





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http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
feste37
2015-01-28 19:09:06 UTC
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It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement

https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement





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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm

http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm





High Country News http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm What’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet.



View on highcountrypress.com http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm
Preview by Yahoo







http://motherdivine.org/email/updates/2012_10_hm_auction.html





Heavenly Mountain Property Auction http://motherdivine.org/email/updates/2012_10_hm_auction.html • Three large buildings totaling 218,000 square feet • Peaceful area with spectacular long-range views The main building includes 112 suites (many with



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Heavenly Mountain Property Auction http://motherdivine.org/email/updates/2012_10_hm_auction.html




This is the outfit that owns it now:
http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html

http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 19:17:18 UTC
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Good to know you have you fingers on the brain pulses of everyone in fairfield - or are you just referring to people like yourself who defend the Movement, Marshy and especially the university even though you don't actually do the much vaunted techniques themselves anymore? Looks like if they are good enough to defend, they would be good enough to practice. Hard to let go of those addictions ain't it, Feste?

From: feste37 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

TM Retirement
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News
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 Heavenly Mountain Property Auction

This is the outfit that owns it now:http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches



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salyavin808
2015-01-28 19:45:49 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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This is the outfit that owns it now:
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http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


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From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 21:48:30 UTC
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I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?
For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.
Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.
Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

TM Retirement
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| TM RetirementAre you interested in a retirement community centered around the Transcendental Meditation and... |
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| View on www.facebook.com | Preview by Yahoo |
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News
|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| High Country NewsWhat’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet. |
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| View on highcountrypress.com | Preview by Yahoo |
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|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| Heavenly Mountain Property Auction• Three large buildings totaling 218,000 square feet   • Peaceful area with spectacular long-range views The main building includes 112 suites (many with |
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 Heavenly Mountain Property Auction

This is the outfit that owns it now:http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches



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salyavin808
2015-01-28 22:09:54 UTC
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I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement

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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html


http://www.hcpress.com/news/his-holiness-sri-sri-ravi-shankar-to-inaugurate-world-class-international-center-for-peace-and-well-being.html
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 22:19:11 UTC
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Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it! 

It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?
For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.
Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.
Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

TM Retirement
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches





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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



CBS Action, yes indeed. They also show SNG but I don't have the time to spend every night watching Star Trek, much as I'd want to.


I will record an episode of Texas Ranger just to see for myself the landscape that shaped the soul of the great man WillyTex. Maybe we'll even see him in the background radiating his typically vast spiritual warmth?


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement

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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 10:18:43 UTC
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He is the one in the show who usually gets his teeth kicked out by Chuck Norris

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods

CBS Action, yes indeed. They also show SNG but I don't have the time to spend every night watching Star Trek, much as I'd want to.
I will record an episode of Texas Ranger just to see for myself the landscape that shaped the soul of the great man WillyTex. Maybe we'll even see him in the background radiating his typically vast spiritual warmth?
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it! 

It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?
For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.
Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.
Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

TM Retirement
|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| TM RetirementAre you interested in a retirement community centered around the Transcendental Meditation and... |
| |
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News
|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| High Country NewsWhat’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet. |
| |
| View on highcountrypress.com | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |



|   |
|   | |   |   |   |   |   |
| Heavenly Mountain Property Auction• Three large buildings totaling 218,000 square feet   • Peaceful area with spectacular long-range views The main building includes 112 suites (many with |
| |
| View on motherdivine.org | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
|   |

 Heavenly Mountain Property Auction

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TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 10:32:02 UTC
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From: "Michael Jackson ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

He is the one in the show who usually gets his teeth kicked out by Chuck Norris
Actually, Willytex's *politics* are more along the lines of Chuck Norris, who has turned into a rabid Chrisschun right-winger, even a few cans shorter of a six-pack than Ted Nugent.

Fascinatingly enough, back in the 60s I once got to face off against Chuck Norris in a no-contact karate contest. It was my first contest, and I was a lowly brown belt thrown into the black belt category because they didn't have enough entrants to have a separate brown belt competition. I managed to whup my first black belt opponent, and was thus feeling pretty spunky and invincible when the time came for my second match, and out walked this other black belt. I didn't know him from Adam. He not only went on to win the contest that day, but went on to win his first World Championship that year. Our match lasted less than thirty seconds. I put on my fiercest warrior face and tried to stare him down and he laughed and pulled one of those spinning double back kicks on me and pulled it about a quarter-inch from my chin. I didn't even see it coming, he was that fast.

But being good at karate clearly doesn't mean that you're good at being a human being. He has since said many of the dumbest and most despicable things a human being can, and seems proud of saying them.



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods

CBS Action, yes indeed. They also show SNG but I don't have the time to spend every night watching Star Trek, much as I'd want to.
I will record an episode of Texas Ranger just to see for myself the landscape that shaped the soul of the great man WillyTex. Maybe we'll even see him in the background radiating his typically vast spiritual warmth?
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it! 

It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?
For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.
Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.
Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


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Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 11:41:19 UTC
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I never knew anything about his politics and all - sometimes I just watch one of his awful movies just to make fun of how bad it is - usually I can only take about 10 minutes of one before I turn it off.

From: "TurquoiseBee ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  From: "Michael Jackson ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

He is the one in the show who usually gets his teeth kicked out by Chuck Norris
Actually, Willytex's *politics* are more along the lines of Chuck Norris, who has turned into a rabid Chrisschun right-winger, even a few cans shorter of a six-pack than Ted Nugent.

Fascinatingly enough, back in the 60s I once got to face off against Chuck Norris in a no-contact karate contest. It was my first contest, and I was a lowly brown belt thrown into the black belt category because they didn't have enough entrants to have a separate brown belt competition. I managed to whup my first black belt opponent, and was thus feeling pretty spunky and invincible when the time came for my second match, and out walked this other black belt. I didn't know him from Adam. He not only went on to win the contest that day, but went on to win his first World Championship that year. Our match lasted less than thirty seconds. I put on my fiercest warrior face and tried to stare him down and he laughed and pulled one of those spinning double back kicks on me and pulled it about a quarter-inch from my chin. I didn't even see it coming, he was that fast.

But being good at karate clearly doesn't mean that you're good at being a human being. He has since said many of the dumbest and most despicable things a human being can, and seems proud of saying them.



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods

CBS Action, yes indeed. They also show SNG but I don't have the time to spend every night watching Star Trek, much as I'd want to.
I will record an episode of Texas Ranger just to see for myself the landscape that shaped the soul of the great man WillyTex. Maybe we'll even see him in the background radiating his typically vast spiritual warmth?
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it! 

It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?
For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.
Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.
Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


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Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
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Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 22:36:05 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

From: "Michael Jackson ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

He is the one in the show who usually gets his teeth kicked out by Chuck Norris


Actually, Willytex's *politics*
I've always considered my political views to be middle-of-the-road and I would always vote for compromise so we can all work together - it's not very productive to be be a proponent of division, always seeing things in just black and white and putting labels on people.
are more along the lines of Chuck Norris, who has turned into a rabid Chrisschun right-winger, even a few cans shorter of a six-pack than Ted Nugent.
Dividing people into groups and folders marked "fluff" and "Willytex". And, labels like "Christschun" and "right-winger". As for Norris there are several things we don't agree on such as the war on drugs and cannabis legalization, but we do agree that it is important to vote and the need for a strong self-defense.



Fascinatingly enough, back in the 60s I once got to face off against Chuck Norris in a no-contact karate contest. It was my first contest, and I was a lowly brown belt thrown into the black belt category because they didn't have enough entrants to have a separate brown belt competition. I managed to whup my first black belt opponent, and was thus feeling pretty spunky and invincible when the time came for my second match, and out walked this other black belt. I didn't know him from Adam. He not only went on to win the contest that day, but went on to win his first World Championship that year. Our match lasted less than thirty seconds. I put on my fiercest warrior face and tried to stare him down and he laughed and pulled one of those spinning double back kicks on me and pulled it about a quarter-inch from my chin. I didn't even see it coming, he was that fast.



But being good at karate clearly doesn't mean that you're good at being a human being. He has since said many of the dumbest and most despicable things a human being can, and seems proud of saying them.






From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



CBS Action, yes indeed. They also show SNG but I don't have the time to spend every night watching Star Trek, much as I'd want to.


I will record an episode of Texas Ranger just to see for myself the landscape that shaped the soul of the great man WillyTex. Maybe we'll even see him in the background radiating his typically vast spiritual warmth?


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 23:31:59 UTC
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So, it's all about "WillyTex." Go figure.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



CBS Action, yes indeed. They also show SNG but I don't have the time to spend every night watching Star Trek, much as I'd want to.


I will record an episode of Texas Ranger just to see for myself the landscape that shaped the soul of the great man WillyTex. Maybe we'll even see him in the background radiating his typically vast spiritual warmth?


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement

https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement





TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement Are you interested in a retirement community centered around the Transcendental Meditation and...



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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm





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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 17:01:39 UTC
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You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft. Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.

Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go figure.

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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement

https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement





TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement Are you interested in a retirement community centered around the Transcendental Meditation and...



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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm

http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm





High Country News http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm What’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now? Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been sold—at least, not yet.



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salyavin808
2015-01-30 17:21:50 UTC
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Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft. Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.

Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go figure.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division

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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement

https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement





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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 18:14:23 UTC
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You sound really scared. LoL!


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft. Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.

Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go figure.

Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division

Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division The Texas Ranger Division, commonly called the Texas Rangers, is a law enforcement agency with statewide jurisdiction in Texas, based in the capit...



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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement

https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement





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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

High Country News http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm

http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm





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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 18:46:01 UTC
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Probably got bored with "The Peak". There's more "Maharishi talk" here
than you'll find over there.
Post by salyavin808
Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from
posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his
miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft.
Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based
in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio
Parks and Recreation Dept.
Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias
from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the
Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas
Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a
Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go
figure.
Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division>
image <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division>
Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encycl...
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division>
The Texas Ranger Division, commonly called the Texas Rangers, is a law
enforcement agency with statewide jurisdiction in Texas, based in the
capit...
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Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck
of the woods
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*Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase
property in Boone, NC and then again sell?
I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you
summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original?
Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies
for it!
It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of
them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal
colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to
be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got
off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase
property in Boone, NC and then again sell?
It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen
interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in
Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do,
which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But
I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM
movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so
much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?
For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting
philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some
obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about
science at any other time. Go figure.
Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in
what my old spiritual /almer mater /is up to because it was a wild
time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got
to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects
affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of
my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in
to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on
like everything is great that worry me.
Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV -
watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's
a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?
Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for
ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.
Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in
TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone
of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers
TM Retirement <https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement>
image <https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement>
TM Retirement <https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement>
Are you interested in a retirement community centered around the
Transcendental Meditation and...
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*Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase
property in Boone, NC and then again sell?
Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an
old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top
of their "holy" mountain? LOL.
High Country News
<http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm>
image <http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm>
High Country News
<http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2006/03-02-06/n_heavenly.htm>
What’s Going On at Heavenly Mountain? Is It Sold? Who Lives There Now?
Story by Sally Treadwell No, Heavenly Mountain Resort has NOT been
sold—at least, not yet.
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salyavin808
2015-01-30 19:00:09 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Probably got bored with "The Peak". There's more "Maharishi talk" here than you'll find over there.


Really? I thought that was the point of it. Discussing the long climb to the summit and that sort of thing. I thought maybe Jim was offering Darshan as their enlightened sage.




On 01/30/2015 09:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 23:06:48 UTC
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It's all good, I just didn't want you to get bored on FFL, so I thought I would respond when you mentioned me. If you have any questions just let me know. You probably feel better when you have someone to talk to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Probably got bored with "The Peak". There's more "Maharishi talk" here than you'll find over there.

On 01/30/2015 09:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :


You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft. Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.

Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go figure.

Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encycl... The Texas Ranger Division, commonly called the Texas Rangers, is a law enforcement agency with statewide jurisdiction in Texas, based in the capit...



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---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com
To: ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com
To: ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement

https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement





TM Retirement Are you interested in a retirement community centered around the Transcendental Meditation and...



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j_alexander_stanley@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 19:08:22 UTC
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Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
salyavin808
2015-01-30 19:12:32 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.

Great. There goes the neighbourhood. What did he put on his request as a reason for joining "I want to turn the place into a crap hole just like the old days with my pig thick remarks"?




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
j_alexander_stanley@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 19:28:27 UTC
Permalink
He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond. Then he sent in a subscription request, which Rick approved. I have no idea if there was any further communication between Rick and Richard. With respect to Rick, I'm kinda out of the loop; the last time I emailed him about FFL business, I got no response.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.

Great. There goes the neighbourhood. What did he put on his request as a reason for joining "I want to turn the place into a crap hole just like the old days with my pig thick remarks"?




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 19:40:41 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.

It's Friday afternoon and I need a "I'm not surprised, look at what I wrote a few months ago" moment before the weekend kicks in:

It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so.






Then he sent in a subscription request, which Rick approved. I have no idea if there was any further communication between Rick and Richard. With respect to Rick, I'm kinda out of the loop; the last time I emailed him about FFL business, I got no response.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.

Great. There goes the neighbourhood. What did he put on his request as a reason for joining "I want to turn the place into a crap hole just like the old days with my pig thick remarks"?




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
salyavin808
2015-01-30 20:32:11 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.


But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.




Then he sent in a subscription request, which Rick approved. I have no idea if there was any further communication between Rick and Richard. With respect to Rick, I'm kinda out of the loop; the last time I emailed him about FFL business, I got no response.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.

Great. There goes the neighbourhood. What did he put on his request as a reason for joining "I want to turn the place into a crap hole just like the old days with my pig thick remarks"?




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
anartaxius@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 21:57:52 UTC
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I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.


But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 23:12:49 UTC
Permalink
It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post comments here anonymously if they want to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.


But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.
feste37
2015-01-30 23:34:56 UTC
Permalink
I like Serious Richard. He is rather a witty poster.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post comments here anonymously if they want to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.


But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.
jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 00:36:34 UTC
Permalink
And Richard has posted 10 comments in the few hours he's been back here, whereas he's posted around 18 comments in the past two weeks on the The Peak. Oh good, he prefers us....


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I like Serious Richard. He is rather a witty poster.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post comments here anonymously if they want to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.


But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 02:16:19 UTC
Permalink
A picture says a thousand words.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And Richard has posted 10 comments in the few hours he's been back here, whereas he's posted around 18 comments in the past two weeks on the The Peak. Oh good, he prefers us....


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I like Serious Richard. He is rather a witty poster.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post comments here anonymously if they want to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.


But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.
Share Long sharelong60@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 16:07:17 UTC
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feste, it came to me this morning that Richard is like the Don Quixote of yahoo groups (-:

From: feste37 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack!

  I like Serious Richard. He is rather a witty poster.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post comments here anonymously if they want to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond. 
But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. 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Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 16:58:37 UTC
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Maybe Rick let him back in because the bus was trying to be driven by
the Three Amigos. :-D
Post by salyavin808
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 5:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack!
I like Serious Richard. He is rather a witty poster.
It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post
comments here anonymously if they want to.
I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps
Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under
false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).
He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him
on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.
But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his
own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things
he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 17:02:52 UTC
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It's all about the cognitive dissonance, Share. The discomfort experienced when someone simultaneously, both at the same time, holds two or more conflicting cognitions - two or more opposing beliefs, ideas and their material values. Remember - every proposition, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.

Sometimes, it can be jarring to read the raw truth on a computer screen. It's complicated.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

feste, it came to me this morning that Richard is like the Don Quixote of yahoo groups (-:



From: feste37 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack!


I like Serious Richard. He is rather a witty poster.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post comments here anonymously if they want to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.


But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.
Share Long sharelong60@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 17:16:19 UTC
Permalink
Richard, I admire your courage.

From: "***@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack!

 
It's all about the cognitive dissonance, Share. The discomfort experienced when someone simultaneously, both at the same time, holds two or more conflicting cognitions - two or more opposing beliefs, ideas and their material values. Remember - every proposition, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.

Sometimes, it can be jarring to read the raw truth on a computer screen. It's complicated.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :



feste, it came to me this morning that Richard is like the Don Quixote of yahoo groups (-:

From: feste37 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack!

 I like Serious Richard. He is rather a witty poster.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post comments here anonymously if they want to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond. 
But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.

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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-01 02:44:32 UTC
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Thanks, Share - I was enabled by the best: the TurquoiseBee and the Author's Friend. Without them I wouldn't be the person I am today - they changed my life. It was a dark and rainy Saturday night when I first discovered them posting to Usenet using a dial-up line and a 14.4 bps modems and AOL or Compuserve back in 1995.

It was like a light lit up inside my head and suddenly, on the spot, I knew I had tapped into a veritable font of insider TMO information. All the secrets were there and all the details were posted about the comings and goings of the TMers.

These two had it all figured out - all I had to do was read the screen and I would find the answer I needed. At the time, I really needed some spiritual help. I owe my online enlightenment to these two informants - if it wasn't for them, I probably wouldn't even be here. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. Go figure.

"Willytex has been leading you around in circles by the nose like a trained monkey..." - authfriend

Read more:

http://tinyurl.com/k5toxy7 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topicsearchin/alt.meditation.transcendental/-OT$3A$20AND$20-Kerry$27s$20AND$20-$27New$20AND$20-Soldier$27$2C$20AND$20-JEWS$20AND$20authorname$3Awillytex


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Richard, I admire your courage.


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack!




It's all about the cognitive dissonance, Share. The discomfort experienced when someone simultaneously, both at the same time, holds two or more conflicting cognitions - two or more opposing beliefs, ideas and their material values. Remember - every proposition, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory.

Sometimes, it can be jarring to read the raw truth on a computer screen. It's complicated.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




feste, it came to me this morning that Richard is like the Don Quixote of yahoo groups (-:



From: feste37 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack!


I like Serious Richard. He is rather a witty poster.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


It sounds like you're trying out to out someone. Anyone can post comments here anonymously if they want to.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I suppose our best response is not to comment on his posts. Perhaps Alex or all of us could write Rick that his resumption here was under false pretences as per Salyavin's comment below (in red).


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.


But this is the problem, he doesn't respond and he never did. By his own admission he's here to cause trouble because we talk about things he doesn't like. I hope everyone ignores him.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 22:49:30 UTC
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Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 05:24:03 UTC
Permalink
And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 14:59:04 UTC
Permalink
So it's all about Richard.

"As far as I can tell, the charge of "obsession" falls
completely on the shoulders of those who are so attached
to their beliefs and so petty as to get uptight when they
encounter ideas contrary to their own. Bitching about
others having such ideas is weird, and IMO the sign of a
weak mind." - TurquoiseBee, 1/29/2015




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
feste37
2015-01-31 17:41:06 UTC
Permalink
You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 17:50:43 UTC
Permalink
Richard was posting like FFL was Twitter. Maybe he has no followers on
Twitter. FFL is not Twitter and using it like one can be annoying to most.
Post by feste37
You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us
have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them
simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that
sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on
Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things.
Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that
of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day
after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. In
fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see
they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a
bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.
And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.
Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an
addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and
clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.
Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second
chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is,
each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because,
truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the
addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to
being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An
addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to
get high. /Nothing else matters./ This is true across all kinds of
addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the
addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no
other way.
When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in
whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body
system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but
they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation,
playing the victim, and minimizing.
In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to /"let me
subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking
about me and I wanted to post a few replies/." This sentence is a
textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict
behavior: manipulation and playing the victim (/'let me subscribe to
the group because some informants were still talking about me/'), and
minimizing (/'I wanted to post a few replies'/).
And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time,
his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot
be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the
case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.
It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character
If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like
to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able
to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer
to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.
Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still
talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not
to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed
three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up,
Alex. LoL!
Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for
Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so
Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's
kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he
usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who
was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let
him back in.
Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from
posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his
miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-31 21:12:49 UTC
Permalink
Now that's a thought-stopper!

"As Curtis and I (and Sal) have said many, many times -- and as the religious fanatics refuse to believe -- we come here for FUN. It's an "alma mater" kinda place, as Sal suggested. Here we can talk about things we *used to* take seriously but don't any more, and we can explore those ideas in more depth now that we're not part of a cult that's trying to keep us *from* exploring them more deeply." - TurquoiseBee, 1/29/2015

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Richard was posting like FFL was Twitter. Maybe he has no followers on Twitter. FFL is not Twitter and using it like one can be annoying to most.

On 01/31/2015 09:41 AM, feste37 wrote:

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-01 18:51:24 UTC
Permalink
Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
feste37
2015-02-01 19:52:19 UTC
Permalink
I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying to soften the impact so that Serious Richard might feel a little less unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other posters here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-01 20:56:38 UTC
Permalink
You kidding? Richard loves cruel posts directed at him. It's like a
whip from his favorite S&M gal. He doesn't seem to like "nice" posts
directed at him (you won't get a reply).
Post by feste37
I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying
to soften the impact so that Serious Richard might feel a little less
unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between
routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious
Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other
posters here.
Feste,
Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of
Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are
not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense.
In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no
understanding of what constitutes addiction.
Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction
as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from
assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement
indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on
your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a
'put down'.
You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few
years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put
it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how
incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.
In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely
see they are intelligent and well thought out.
Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been
'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is
your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really
think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?
No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment
of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when
we have made comments that you do not like.
Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the
perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of
discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective
is completely flawed.
You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us
have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them
simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that
sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on
Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things.
Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that
of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day
after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In
fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see
they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a
bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.
And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.
Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an
addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and
clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.
Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second
chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is,
each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because,
truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the
addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to
being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An
addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to
get high. /Nothing else matters./ This is true across all kinds of
addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the
addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no
other way.
When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in
whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body
system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but
they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation,
playing the victim, and minimizing.
In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to /"let me
subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking
about me and I wanted to post a few replies/." This sentence is a
textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict
behavior: manipulation and playing the victim (/'let me subscribe to
the group because some informants were still talking about me/'), and
minimizing (/'I wanted to post a few replies'/).
And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time,
his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot
be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the
case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.
It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character
If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like
to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able
to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer
to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.
Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still
talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not
to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed
three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up,
Alex. LoL!
Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for
Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so
Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's
kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he
usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who
was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let
him back in.
Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from
posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his
miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-01 22:14:19 UTC
Permalink
Don't call me Shirley - I already told you, I'm not gay. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You kidding? Richard loves cruel posts directed at him. It's like a whip from his favorite S&M gal. He doesn't seem to like "nice" posts directed at him (you won't get a reply).

On 02/01/2015 11:52 AM, feste37 wrote:

I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying to soften the impact so that Serious Richard might feel a little less unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other posters here.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> mailto:***@... wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com mailto:***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> mailto:***@yahoogroups.com wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-01 22:25:28 UTC
Permalink
I think your concern for Richard is genuine, but mistaken. In any case, there are many other ways to show your concern than to condemn me as being 'mean-spirited' (an approach, as I have pointed out, you use regularly here), or to make wildly mistaken statements about addiction.

You also assume that my comments affect Richard negatively and that your response will have some sort of soothing effect. My assumption is completely the opposite: Richard cares nothing about you, me, or anyone else here on FFL. See my original post for why I think this way.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying to soften the impact so that Serious Richard might feel a little less unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other posters here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-01 22:30:39 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I think your concern for Richard is genuine, but mistaken. In any case, there are many other ways to show your concern than to condemn me as being 'mean-spirited' (an approach, as I have pointed out, you use regularly here), or to make wildly mistaken statements about addiction.

You also assume that my comments affect Richard negatively and that your response will have some sort of soothing effect. My assumption is completely the opposite: Richard cares nothing about you, me, or anyone else here on FFL. See my original post for why I think this way.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying to soften the impact so that Serious Richard might feel a little less unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other posters here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
feste37
2015-02-02 01:02:17 UTC
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We all wear masks here on FFL, some of them benign, some of them grotesque, but behind them, and then behind the masks that we make for outselves in real life, we are all the same— or at least, not too dissimilar. Is this not so? I took Richard's part because he was subjected to a raft of posts condemning him, especially from our friend across the water, and I thought that I would express some appreciation of him.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I think your concern for Richard is genuine, but mistaken. In any case, there are many other ways to show your concern than to condemn me as being 'mean-spirited' (an approach, as I have pointed out, you use regularly here), or to make wildly mistaken statements about addiction.

You also assume that my comments affect Richard negatively and that your response will have some sort of soothing effect. My assumption is completely the opposite: Richard cares nothing about you, me, or anyone else here on FFL. See my original post for why I think this way.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying to soften the impact so that Serious Richard might feel a little less unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other posters here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-02 06:28:42 UTC
Permalink
Hi Feste. Yes, I agree with you - we all wear masks of one form or another, and at the most fundamental level, we are 'not too dissimilar', as you put it.

I know that you took Richard's part because 'your heart went out to him', so to speak. And,without doubt, that was good of you.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

We all wear masks here on FFL, some of them benign, some of them grotesque, but behind them, and then behind the masks that we make for outselves in real life, we are all the same— or at least, not too dissimilar. Is this not so? I took Richard's part because he was subjected to a raft of posts condemning him, especially from our friend across the water, and I thought that I would express some appreciation of him.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I think your concern for Richard is genuine, but mistaken. In any case, there are many other ways to show your concern than to condemn me as being 'mean-spirited' (an approach, as I have pointed out, you use regularly here), or to make wildly mistaken statements about addiction.

You also assume that my comments affect Richard negatively and that your response will have some sort of soothing effect. My assumption is completely the opposite: Richard cares nothing about you, me, or anyone else here on FFL. See my original post for why I think this way.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying to soften the impact so that Serious Richard might feel a little less unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other posters here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-02 07:49:57 UTC
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From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

  Hi Feste. Yes, I agree with you - we all wear masks of one form or another, and at the most fundamental level, we are 'not too dissimilar', as you put it.

I know that you took Richard's part because 'your heart went out to him', so to speak. And,without doubt, that was good of you.



I wouldn't characterize Feste's motives as completely compassionate if I were you. IMO he's just missing the days in which the name of the FFL game was "pile on Barry," and he's trying to do whatever he can to start that meme back up again.  :-)
Isn't it fascinating that the thing that has *elevated* the level of discourse on Fairfield Life so much during the past month or so is the *absence* from it of a number of people who used to characterize those they didn't like as "negative." I suspect this says something about who was actually negative and who was not.  :-)

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

We all wear masks here on FFL, some of them benign, some of them grotesque, but behind them, and then behind the masks that we make for outselves in real life, we are all the same— or at least, not too dissimilar. Is this not so? I took Richard's part because he was subjected to a raft of posts condemning him, especially from our friend across the water, and I thought that I would express some appreciation of him.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I think your concern for Richard is genuine, but mistaken. Inany case, there are many other ways to show your concern than to condemn me asbeing 'mean-spirited' (an approach, as I have pointed out, you use regularly here),or to make wildly mistaken statements about addiction.

You also assume that my comments affect Richard negatively and that yourresponse will have some sort of soothing effect. My assumption is completely theopposite: Richard cares nothing aboutyou, me, or anyone else here on FFL.  See my original post for why I thinkthis way.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying to soften the impact  so that Serious Richard might feel a little less unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other posters here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are. 

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want  to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.

Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of aperson with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is(and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance',or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternativeshas a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict -one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, topleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. Anaddiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high.  Nothing else matters. This is trueacross all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whateverbehaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. Thesebehaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the followingcharacteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, andminimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because someinformants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies."This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics ofaddict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group becausesome informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, hisbehavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.



It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**.To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richarddecided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of hisposts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never tointeract with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continueto troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.



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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-02 18:13:29 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


I wouldn't characterize Feste's motives as completely compassionate if I were you. IMO he's just missing the days in which the name of the FFL game was "pile on Barry," and he's trying to do whatever he can to start that meme back up again. :-)

Maybe it's not all about you, Barry - maybe it's all about Richard's messages.

Apparently you and James don't understand this because you've failed to keep up - I'm not sure how James could have read all 10,000 of my posts to FFL since 2003 - he must be a really fast reader! James seems to want to join in the FFL conversation and he seems like a decent guy, but maybe he is prejudice against people from Texas - which would be weird since you're from Texas too. Go figure.

Richard J. Williams http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=Richard+J.+Williams&l=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com

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Richard J. Williams http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=Richard+J.+Williams&l=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com [FairfieldLife] OM 2008-08-28 Thread Richard J. Williams [FairfieldLife] Re: Posts in 23.5 hours 2007-03-19 Thread Richard J. Williams



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Isn't it fascinating that the thing that has *elevated* the level of discourse on Fairfield Life so much during the past month or so is the *absence* from it of a number of people who used to characterize those they didn't like as "negative." I suspect this says something about who was actually negative and who was not. :-)



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

We all wear masks here on FFL, some of them benign, some of them grotesque, but behind them, and then behind the masks that we make for outselves in real life, we are all the same— or at least, not too dissimilar. Is this not so? I took Richard's part because he was subjected to a raft of posts condemning him, especially from our friend across the water, and I thought that I would express some appreciation of him.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I think your concern for Richard is genuine, but mistaken. In any case, there are many other ways to show your concern than to condemn me as being 'mean-spirited' (an approach, as I have pointed out, you use regularly here), or to make wildly mistaken statements about addiction.

You also assume that my comments affect Richard negatively and that your response will have some sort of soothing effect. My assumption is completely the opposite: Richard cares nothing about you, me, or anyone else here on FFL. See my original post for why I think this way.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I thought your post about Richard was somewhat cruel, and I was trying to soften the impact so that Serious Richard might feel a little less unwelcome here. You are of course correct about a difference between routine behaviors and addiction. But I am unconvinced that Serious Richard is any more addicted to posting to FFL than a number of other posters here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are.

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.



Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance', or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternatives has a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict - one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, to pleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. An addiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high. Nothing else matters. This is true across all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whatever behaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. These behaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the following characteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, and minimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies." This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics of addict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, his behavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.




It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**. To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richard decided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of his posts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never to interact with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continue to troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-02-01 23:05:10 UTC
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You forget that Feste is a former MIU professor which gives him the high ground on intellectual matters, but I think Feste just likes Tex because Barry and I don't.

From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderator! Texan Attack!

  Feste,

Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:

Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this statement alone, you lose all credibility. You have no understanding of what constitutes addiction.

Your notion that assessing or recognizing a behavior is an addiction as being 'mean-spirited' is again, quite simply, nonsense. Apart from assigning to me a motivation that I don't have, your statement indicates that your perceptions of addiction (likely unacknowledged on your part) are that addiction is a moral failing or is being used as a 'put down'.

You live in Fairfield. Considering events in FF over the last few years. I suggest to you that you examine such perceptions, and to put it bluntly, that you gain some rudimentary knowledge and see both how incorrect and offensive these perceptions are. 

In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out.

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you that Richard's posts have been 'intelligent and well thought out'. However, more revealing to me is your arrogant assumption that I have not read them. Do you really think I would comment about someone's posts if I hadn't read them?

No, I dont think that you do. But this is in line with your assignment of 'mean-spirited' motivations to Michael, Barry, me, and others when we have made comments that you do not like.

Feel free to assign whatever motivations you want  to me (FFL is the perfect place for this). But don't try to dress it up in some kind of discussion about the nature of addiction, about which your perspective is completely flawed.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

You can call it addiction if you want to be mean-spirited. Most of us have addictions of some kind or another. We can also think of them simply as our routine—things we like to do on a regular basis. In that sense I am addicted to checking my email, playing Lexulous on Facebook, checking into Fairfield Life, and a number of other things. Serious Richard's so-called addiction is no more pronounced than that of many other posters here, who say the same dreary old things day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.In fact, if you care to read Serious Richard's posts, you will surely see they are intelligent and well thought out. But of course, give a dog a bad name and hang him, that's the name of the game here.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will play out.

Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of aperson with an addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is(and clearly was, prior to his banning) unable to control his behavior here.

Asking an addict to control his behavior, or giving him a 'second chance',or asking him to modify his behavior is pointless. That is, each of these alternativeshas a 0% chance of success. Because, truthfully, one is not asking the addict -one is asking the addiction. And addictions do not respond to reason, topleading, to being asked nicely, to being ignored, or to being argued with. Anaddiction can only respond to whatever the addict needs in order to get high.  Nothing else matters. This is trueacross all kinds of addiction, whether to substances or behaviors. So to stop the addictive behavior one takes away the means to get high - there is no other way.

When deprived of the opportunity to get a high, addicts will engage in whateverbehaviors they can in order to get the high their mind-body system needs. Thesebehaviors obviously differ among addictions, but they have the followingcharacteristics (among others): manipulation, playing the victim, andminimizing.

In Richard's case, this behavior has been to write to Rick to "let me subscribe to the group because someinformants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies."This sentence is a textbook example of the above three characteristics ofaddict behavior: manipulation and playing the victim ('let me subscribe to the group becausesome informants were still talking about me'), and minimizing ('I wanted to post a few replies').

And so Richard is back and, within a relatively short period of time, hisbehavior will be exactly the same as it was previously. It cannot be stopped by Richard, no matter how much we might like that to be the case. It will only be stopped by him being banned again.



It is not that Richard can choose to leave FFL or change the character of his posts: Richard cannot not post on FFL**.To put it another way: If in the very unlikely event that Richarddecided that he would like to stop posting or change the nature of hisposts, he wouldn't be able to do so. Even if no one FFL were never tointeract with him or refer to him from this moment on, he will continueto troll the group.

Rick let me subscribe to the group because some informants were still talking about me and I wanted to post a few replies.So, I promised not to out anyone's real name - now this is funny - since I subscribed three people in the group have outed me. You can't make this stuff up, Alex. LoL!

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Don't look at me. When I saw the subscription request, I left it for Rick to handle. Richard made no attempt to conceal his identity, so Rick approved the subscription, knowing fully well who it is. Rick's kind of a softie about stuff like that; after some period of time, he usually lets people back in. Years ago, there was another person who was far more deserving of being permanently booted, and Rick even let him back in.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here.



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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 18:01:28 UTC
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I shall happily add this new email address to the "Route straight to the trash"

From: "***@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft. Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.

Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go figure.

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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it! 

It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.
From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?
For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.
Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.
Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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salyavin808
2015-01-30 18:26:10 UTC
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Wise move, everyone else should just ignore him. If he wants to waste his dumb life trolling here until Rick boots him again it's his own stupid fault.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I shall happily add this new email address to the "Route straight to the trash"


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft. Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.

Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go figure.

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Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 23:00:28 UTC
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You seem to be really taking this posting thing seriously. It's supposed to be fun - something to do while you're at work or in between watching TV re-runs.

Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. I promise not to make fun of your religion or politics anymore. Sorry I hurt your feelings and wasted your time when you could have been watching Star Trek. LoL!

But, you have to admit that talking about science and practicing TM at the same time - praying to the Hindu gods - is kind of funny. Sometimes it can be difficult working through the cognitive dissonance. Do you do the TM 2 x 24?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :



Wise move, everyone else should just ignore him. If he wants to waste his dumb life trolling here until Rick boots him again it's his own stupid fault.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I shall happily add this new email address to the "Route straight to the trash"


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft. Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.

Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go figure.

Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division

Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division The Texas Ranger Division, commonly called the Texas Rangers, is a law enforcement agency with statewide jurisdiction in Texas, based in the capit...



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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers




TM Retirement https://www.facebook.com/TMretirement

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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

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richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 22:46:12 UTC
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Thank you.

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I shall happily add this new email address to the "Route straight to the trash"


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




You are not even making any sense - Ranger Walker was based in the Ft. Worth-Dallas area, not in San Antonio and the Texas Rangers are based in Austin. The only woods around here are in the city of San Antonio Parks and Recreation Dept.

Maybe you were thinking about "The Lone Ranger", who drew his alias from once having been a Texas Ranger himself. From what I've read "the Lone Ranger was the only surviving member of a posse of six Texas Rangers whose other five members (including his own older brother, a Texas Rangers captain) were killed in a massacre at Bryant's Gap." Go figure.

Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division

Texas Ranger Division - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ranger_Division The Texas Ranger Division, commonly called the Texas Rangers, is a law enforcement agency with statewide jurisdiction in Texas, based in the capit...



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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Ah, would that be CBS Action? In looking I see they also carry Walker: Texas Ranger where you can see how folks carry on in Willy Tex's neck of the woods



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



It's the original series, I found it on CBS. I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid. It's great stuff. Tonight's was about a penal colony where the governor has gone mad and is brainwashing everyone to be just like him. Kirk gets the treatment but saved the day and got off with the foxy chick. No surprises there.


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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?






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It's amazing how all you guys who hate TM so much take such a keen interest in everything the TM movement does. No one I know in Fairfield takes much interest in it all. Maybe the folks on campus do, which makes them rather like you, although for different reasons. But I guess you just have a need to feel smug and superior, and the TM movement just serves as a vehicle for that. You are, after all, so much better and wiser and more knowledgeable than they are, right?


For the millionth time. I still do TM but think the supporting philosophy is crap and the movement makes a lot of money out of some obviously dubious "technologies" even though they like to bleat about science at any other time. Go figure.


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?


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Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?




Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.


Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL.




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TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 08:23:04 UTC
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Exactly what Salyavin said.

As far as I can tell, the charge of "obsession" falls completely on the shoulders of those who are so attached to their beliefs and so petty as to get uptight when they encounter ideas contrary to their own. Bitching about others having such ideas is weird, and IMO the sign of a weak mind. Becoming *so* uptight about it that they feel the need to try to *silence* the contrary ideas -- and then, when that doesn't work, run away and form a forum where no one is *allowed* to express contrary ideas -- is the sign of religious fanaticism.

As Curtis and I (and Sal) have said many, many times -- and as the religious fanatics refuse to believe -- we come here for FUN. It's an "alma mater" kinda place, as Sal suggested. Here we can talk about things we *used to* take seriously but don't any more, and we can explore those ideas in more depth now that we're not part of a cult that's trying to keep us *from* exploring them more deeply.

If there is an "obsession" here, I suggest it's on the part of those who literally HATE the people who express ideas contrary to the TM/MMY dogma, but who keep reading every word they write, just so they can get off on the righteous indignation they've become addicted to. I have no more respect for them than I do for the idiots who feel that killing cartoonists is their divinely-given right.
From: "Michael Jackson ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
  I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!



From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

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Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.
Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?
salyavin808
2015-01-29 09:38:22 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Exactly what Salyavin said.



As far as I can tell, the charge of "obsession" falls completely on the shoulders of those who are so attached to their beliefs and so petty as to get uptight when they encounter ideas contrary to their own. Bitching about others having such ideas is weird, and IMO the sign of a weak mind. Becoming *so* uptight about it that they feel the need to try to *silence* the contrary ideas -- and then, when that doesn't work, run away and form a forum where no one is *allowed* to express contrary ideas -- is the sign of religious fanaticism.



That's the thing about memes. They can be either productive or destructive, all they need is a willing mind to enact them and they become part of a society. The TMO - like all religious groups - is what you might call a static society, the purpose of the people who have adopted it's way of looking at things is to keep things the same. This is because they believe in the core teaching and it's the teaching that tells us it is complete and cannot be improved upon, but it goes deeper.


I remember being told that I shouldn't wear black, the reason given was that black is the opposite of light and we are supposed to be radiating light to the world. Crazy shit right? But I adopted the meme unconsciously and stopped wearing all my black T-shirts. You know you've been got to by a repressive organisation when someone else turns up wearing black and you feel shock at seeing it.


Sounds weird and innocuous but there are plenty of examples of control that you will pick up if you get involved in such a static society. What length to have your hair (men only) what age you can grow a beard, what time to go to bed. All these things are part of a social system that exists to stay the same. And we haven't even got to the cosmological beliefs!


Being static is only a problem because people aren't static and naturally have ideas. This was the job of the governors of the age of enlightenment - keep everyone on message and use every opportunity to have the memes adopted by others or reinforce them in anyone who wavers. If someone challenges the orthodoxy too much then they have to go. I did and it was made clear that I should probably go somewhere else. This an improvement over one of the world's other great static society's - Islam - where they'd chop off my head for doubting the prophet but it's still worrying that a group who's purpose is evolution doesn't like people doing things differently, or worse still even talking about it.


This is Buck's quandary, he wants the beliefs he has adopted to stay true in a world where nothing does. And he wants a forum that was designed to talk about his organisation to not talk about it - except in ways that support the foundational memes. But he admits himself that since the perpetrator of the religion has died things have started to shift. For instance, the recognition that people have psychiatric issues that TM and it's teachings can't help. Sure they are still doing "vedic" crap to try and deal with it but it should be a sign to him that things change because people have ideas. Marshy would have stamped on them and denied there could ever be a problem with TM.


Things evolve, Buck will maybe one day realise this process of challenging and coming up with new ideas to explain things is how you, me and every other curious sceptic got to the position we are in now. But to do that you have to challenge the static memes of religious fundamentalism that stop you evolving. Without realising it he's already made the first step.






As Curtis and I (and Sal) have said many, many times -- and as the religious fanatics refuse to believe -- we come here for FUN. It's an "alma mater" kinda place, as Sal suggested. Here we can talk about things we *used to* take seriously but don't any more, and we can explore those ideas in more depth now that we're not part of a cult that's trying to keep us *from* exploring them more deeply.



If there is an "obsession" here, I suggest it's on the part of those who literally HATE the people who express ideas contrary to the TM/MMY dogma, but who keep reading every word they write, just so they can get off on the righteous indignation they've become addicted to. I have no more respect for them than I do for the idiots who feel that killing cartoonists is their divinely-given right.

From: "Michael Jackson ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!






From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

<snip to>


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 10:21:43 UTC
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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Exactly what Salyavin said.

As far as I can tell, the charge of "obsession" falls completely on the shoulders of those who are so attached to their beliefs and so petty as to get uptight when they encounter ideas contrary to their own. Bitching about others having such ideas is weird, and IMO the sign of a weak mind. Becoming *so* uptight about it that they feel the need to try to *silence* the contrary ideas -- and then, when that doesn't work, run away and form a forum where no one is *allowed* to express contrary ideas -- is the sign of religious fanaticism.

That's the thing about memes. They can be either productive or destructive, all they need is a willing mind to enact them and they become part of a society. The TMO - like all religious groups - is what you might call a static society, the purpose of the people who have adopted it's way of looking at things is to keep things the same. This is because they believe in the core teaching and it's the teaching that tells us it is complete and cannot be improved upon, but it goes deeper. 
I remember being told that I shouldn't wear black, the reason given was that black is the opposite of light and we are supposed to be radiating light to the world. Crazy shit right? But I adopted the meme unconsciously and stopped wearing all my black T-shirts. You know you've been got to by a repressive organisation when someone else turns up wearing black and you feel shock at seeing it.
Sounds weird and innocuous but there are plenty of examples of control that you will pick up if you get involved in such a static society. What length to have your hair (men only) what age you can grow a beard, what time to go to bed. All these things are part of a social system that exists to stay the same. And we haven't even got to the cosmological beliefs! 
Being static is only a problem because people aren't static and naturally have ideas. This was the job of the governors of the age of enlightenment - keep everyone on message and use every opportunity to have the memes adopted by others or reinforce them in anyone who wavers. If someone challenges the orthodoxy too much then they have to go. I did and it was made clear that I should probably go somewhere else.

What's always boggled my mind is how many of the people who have *BEEN* "kept in line" by TM teachers and "Governors of the Age of Enlightenment" (I mean...just *think* about that term, and that people are *so* brainwashed that they take it for granted and never question it) react. Rather than resenting having been told what they can and cannot do and what they can and cannot think for years by these dweebs, *they aspire to be just like them*. Thus you find people like Jim Flanegin, who never had what it took to become a TM teacher, wanting to become just like them and impose his will on others and force them to live the way *he* wants them to. In a very real sense, this strikes me as the same kind of "inherited behavior" we see in victims of child abuse. Instead of growing up to hate such abuse, they tend to grow up to become abusers themselves. 
I find the very existence of "The_Leak" quite fascinating. It started because one person on FFL (Jim Flanegin) had a grudge against another person on FFL (moi) because he wouldn't buy into his (ludicrous) claims of being enlightened. "Mr. Enlightened" got angrier and angrier and angrier until one day I used a throwaway phrase to make a point, and Jimbo went fuckin' crazy over it and started slinging libel accusing me of being a pedophile, and encouraging people to sic the authorities on me in the real world. He *also* did the same thing that Doug/Buck is *still* doing, and started appealing to Rick Archer to have me "thrown off" of FFL, and created whole threads with this in the Subject line, thus smearing my name in search engines. Rick of course ignored him like the idiotic control freak he was acting like. Me, because what he was doing was ILLEGAL and the very definition of libel, I sicced the Dutch cops on his ass. "Mr. Enlightened" reacted by not only NOT apologizing for the libel, but by running away and forming his own group, where he has now developed a history of banning anyone who dares to say something he doesn't like.

It's not just the COWARDICE of all of this that gets me, but the "abused trying to become the abuser" phenomenon that makes me roll my eyes. After all these years of being indoctrinated by the TM movement, it's understandable that someone with as weak an intellect as Jimbo's can no longer even *conceive* of thinking any way other than he's been told to think. What is less understandable is that he wants to be able to do to other people what was done to him. I guess he finally managed it, by creating a forum on which *HE* has the final word on what anyone can say and what they can't. I hope he's finally happy. That would be a first, in the entire time I've "known" him on the Internet.

I honestly hope that Jimbo and his followers have a grand time over on The_Leak. He gets to finally be the control freak he's always wanted to be, and his "followers" get to feel superior to those they've left behind. But the bottom line is that they simply couldn't handle dealing with a forum on which people were allowed to express their own ideas as they wanted. They're only comfortable on a forum in which the ways they're *allowed* to interact with others is dictated to them. If anyone is looking to define "the legacy of the TM movement," I would suggest that this is it.
richard@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-30 18:09:25 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Exactly what Salyavin said.



As far as I can tell, the charge of "obsession" falls completely on the shoulders of those who are so attached to their beliefs and so petty as to get uptight when they encounter ideas contrary to their own. Bitching about others having such ideas is weird, and IMO the sign of a weak mind. Becoming *so* uptight about it that they feel the need to try to *silence* the contrary ideas -- and then, when that doesn't work, run away and form a forum where no one is *allowed* to express contrary ideas -- is the sign of religious fanaticism.
You did seem to get uptight and run away from the un-moderated Usenet forum to the moderated FFL forum on Yahoo. I guess you got upset when I questioned your veracity concerning your *obsession* with Rama levitation events. You got real *silent* about your witnessing. Go figure.

Apparently your weak mental state just couldn't take any close scientific inquiry - it looks like your religious beliefs won't allow any questioning of your faith, even if it has been demonstrated not to work or even to be true.

I mean, if you can't poke fun at yourself for believing in bun-hopping and levitation, you must be a religious fanatic. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but I guess questioning human flying isn't *allowed* in your religion - a sure sign of Rama fantacism. LoL!
As Curtis and I (and Sal) have said many, many times -- and as the religious fanatics refuse to believe -- we come here for FUN. It's an "alma mater" kinda place, as Sal suggested. Here we can talk about things we *used to* take seriously but don't any more, and we can explore those ideas in more depth now that we're not part of a cult that's trying to keep us *from* exploring them more deeply.



If there is an "obsession" here, I suggest it's on the part of those who literally HATE the people who express ideas contrary to the TM/MMY dogma, but who keep reading every word they write, just so they can get off on the righteous indignation they've become addicted to. I have no more respect for them than I do for the idiots who feel that killing cartoonists is their divinely-given right.

From: "Michael Jackson ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>

I feel the same as Sal, except that I don't do TM anymore. Sal, you summed it up very well. BTW which Star Trek you watching? Original? Nex Gen - my favorite was always Deep Space 9, and I make no apologies for it!






From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

<snip to>


Regarding this "obsession" with the TMO, what I have is an interest in what my old spiritual almer mater is up to because it was a wild time and I met some crazy people (in both good and bad ways) and got to see the inside of a cult and saw how it works and how it affects affects people. I still like TM as it goes and have fond memories of my time living there, but you've got to transcend the crap you are in to evolve. It's the movement types who aren't curious and carry on like everything is great that worry me.


Finally, FFL is something to do at work and during the adverts on TV - watching Star Trek at the moment - it's not an obsession either. It's a bit of fun. So lighten up. BTW what are you doing here?
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 19:11:15 UTC
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might get up that way one of these days - only a little over 3 hour drive from me. I haven't been up there since the days of the siddhi prep courses in Blowing Rock and Boone - long time ago! Of course that was before the Kaplans built Heavenly Mountain for Marshy.

From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
Nice place, nice photo's. I wonder if they'll have a room for ex-FFLers? You're local MJ, go take a look and report back.

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Oh dear God - apparently it may be back or some part of it is back in TM'ers hands. A retirement community for aging TM'ers - from the tone of the FB page it looks to be a retirement community of TM True Believers

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From: salyavin808 <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 
Cool. I'd love to go and have a look round and take some photos.
Do you remember the story the TMO used to tell about there being an old Injun legend about white men in white clothes flying round the top of their "holy" mountain? LOL. 


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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches



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Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 22:50:41 UTC
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Every structure I've personally seen built by the TMO was done as cheaply as could be imagined and always leaked from the roofs and frequently , the plumbing. The Capitols of the age of Enlightenment and Peace Palaces in Navasota TX. had to be abandoned due to mold and the fear of law suites. The Peace Palaces were never even finished before mold took over. Fortunately for them (TMO) the Capitol burned down and they were able to collect insurance, otherwise , they were worthless. Bet their insurors didn't know that!
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. 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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-28 22:56:42 UTC
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wonder who set that fire?

From: "Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  Every structure I've personally seen built by the TMO was done as cheaply as could be imagined and always leaked from the roofs and frequently , the plumbing. The Capitols of the age of Enlightenment and Peace Palaces in Navasota TX. had to be abandoned due to mold and the fear of law suites. The Peace Palaces were never even finished before mold took over. Fortunately for them (TMO) the Capitol burned down and they were able to collect insurance, otherwise , they were worthless. Bet their insurors didn't know that!


From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches

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Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 01:20:46 UTC
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No one. Honestly ! There was a forest fire that started miles away and burned it's way to the Capitol. A lot of homes and business were destroyed. There had been a drought for a couple of years prior and everything was like a tender box. The Capitol went up because vegatation was growing so close. The Peace Palaces weren't harmed, they just wreak from mold due to poor, shoddy, cheap construction done by a Mexican construction company that later went to Kansas to build more cheap buildings for the TMO.
From: "Michael Jackson ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  wonder who set that fire?



From: "Mike Dixon ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  Every structure I've personally seen built by the TMO was done as cheaply as could be imagined and always leaked from the roofs and frequently , the plumbing. The Capitols of the age of Enlightenment and Peace Palaces in Navasota TX. had to be abandoned due to mold and the fear of law suites. The Peace Palaces were never even finished before mold took over. Fortunately for them (TMO) the Capitol burned down and they were able to collect insurance, otherwise , they were worthless. Bet their insurors didn't know that!


From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches



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jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 02:30:53 UTC
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Yeah, but who started the forest fire?? "Capture the fort to destroy the host" and all that we heard about for years


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

No one. Honestly ! There was a forest fire that started miles away and burned it's way to the Capitol. A lot of homes and business were destroyed. There had been a drought for a couple of years prior and everything was like a tender box. The Capitol went up because vegatation was growing so close. The Peace Palaces weren't harmed, they just wreak from mold due to poor, shoddy, cheap construction done by a Mexican construction company that later went to Kansas to build more cheap buildings for the TMO.

From: "Michael Jackson ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



wonder who set that fire?






From: "Mike Dixon ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



Every structure I've personally seen built by the TMO was done as cheaply as could be imagined and always leaked from the roofs and frequently , the plumbing. The Capitols of the age of Enlightenment and Peace Palaces in Navasota TX. had to be abandoned due to mold and the fear of law suites. The Peace Palaces were never even finished before mold took over. Fortunately for them (TMO) the Capitol burned down and they were able to collect insurance, otherwise , they were worthless. Bet their insurors didn't know that!




From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
jamesalan735@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 02:32:09 UTC
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Yeah, but who started the forest fire?? "Capture the fort to destroy the host" and all that we heard about for year. Looks very suspicious to me

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

No one. Honestly ! There was a forest fire that started miles away and burned it's way to the Capitol. A lot of homes and business were destroyed. There had been a drought for a couple of years prior and everything was like a tender box. The Capitol went up because vegatation was growing so close. The Peace Palaces weren't harmed, they just wreak from mold due to poor, shoddy, cheap construction done by a Mexican construction company that later went to Kansas to build more cheap buildings for the TMO.

From: "Michael Jackson ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:56 PM
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wonder who set that fire?






From: "Mike Dixon ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



Every structure I've personally seen built by the TMO was done as cheaply as could be imagined and always leaked from the roofs and frequently , the plumbing. The Capitols of the age of Enlightenment and Peace Palaces in Navasota TX. had to be abandoned due to mold and the fear of law suites. The Peace Palaces were never even finished before mold took over. Fortunately for them (TMO) the Capitol burned down and they were able to collect insurance, otherwise , they were worthless. Bet their insurors didn't know that!




From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?


I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches
Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 13:55:20 UTC
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Ummmm.... Bevan? 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:32 PM
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  Yeah, but who started the forest fire?? "Capture the fort to destroy the host" and all that we heard about for year. Looks very suspicious to me

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

No one. Honestly ! There was a forest fire that started miles away and burned it's way to the Capitol. A lot of homes and business were destroyed. There had been a drought for a couple of years prior and everything was like a tender box. The Capitol went up because vegatation was growing so close. The Peace Palaces weren't harmed, they just wreak from mold due to poor, shoddy, cheap construction done by a Mexican construction company that later went to Kansas to build more cheap buildings for the TMO.
From: "Michael Jackson ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:56 PM
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 wonder who set that fire?



From: "Mike Dixon ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 Every structure I've personally seen built by the TMO was done as cheaply as could be imagined and always leaked from the roofs and frequently , the plumbing. The Capitols of the age of Enlightenment and Peace Palaces in Navasota TX. had to be abandoned due to mold and the fear of law suites. The Peace Palaces were never even finished before mold took over. Fortunately for them (TMO) the Capitol burned down and they were able to collect insurance, otherwise , they were worthless. Bet their insurors didn't know that!


From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches





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TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 14:12:47 UTC
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"Losing" these properties to fires IS a bit of a suspicious trend for an organization that claims near-absolute "support of nature." The same thing happened to the TMO facility in San Jacinto in Southern California. I actually liked that facility, because it was a former motel and -- while not at all fancy -- in better shape than many of the facilities they built themselves. But it got hit by a canyon fire, which is a phenomenon that people who haven't lived in desert areas don't understand. It's a fire that moves at 50+ miles per hour due to the winds. 

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  Ummmm.... Bevan? 


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  Yeah, but who started the forest fire?? "Capture the fort to destroy the host" and all that we heard about for year. Looks very suspicious to me

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No one. Honestly ! There was a forest fire that started miles away and burned it's way to the Capitol. A lot of homes and business were destroyed. There had been a drought for a couple of years prior and everything was like a tender box. The Capitol went up because vegatation was growing so close. The Peace Palaces weren't harmed, they just wreak from mold due to poor, shoddy, cheap construction done by a Mexican construction company that later went to Kansas to build more cheap buildings for the TMO.
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 wonder who set that fire?



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 Every structure I've personally seen built by the TMO was done as cheaply as could be imagined and always leaked from the roofs and frequently , the plumbing. The Capitols of the age of Enlightenment and Peace Palaces in Navasota TX. had to be abandoned due to mold and the fear of law suites. The Peace Palaces were never even finished before mold took over. Fortunately for them (TMO) the Capitol burned down and they were able to collect insurance, otherwise , they were worthless. Bet their insurors didn't know that!


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Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches







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Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-01-29 16:19:46 UTC
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The Peace Palaces at this location, not burning, was attributed  to *proper vastu* etc. I attributed it to the land being cleared of vegetation around the buildings.
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  "Losing" these properties to fires IS a bit of a suspicious trend for an organization that claims near-absolute "support of nature." The same thing happened to the TMO facility in San Jacinto in Southern California. I actually liked that facility, because it was a former motel and -- while not at all fancy -- in better shape than many of the facilities they built themselves. But it got hit by a canyon fire, which is a phenomenon that people who haven't lived in desert areas don't understand. It's a fire that moves at 50+ miles per hour due to the winds. 



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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  Ummmm.... Bevan? 


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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

  Yeah, but who started the forest fire?? "Capture the fort to destroy the host" and all that we heard about for year. Looks very suspicious to me

---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

No one. Honestly ! There was a forest fire that started miles away and burned it's way to the Capitol. A lot of homes and business were destroyed. There had been a drought for a couple of years prior and everything was like a tender box. The Capitol went up because vegatation was growing so close. The Peace Palaces weren't harmed, they just wreak from mold due to poor, shoddy, cheap construction done by a Mexican construction company that later went to Kansas to build more cheap buildings for the TMO.
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 wonder who set that fire?



From: "Mike Dixon ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 Every structure I've personally seen built by the TMO was done as cheaply as could be imagined and always leaked from the roofs and frequently , the plumbing. The Capitols of the age of Enlightenment and Peace Palaces in Navasota TX. had to be abandoned due to mold and the fear of law suites. The Peace Palaces were never even finished before mold took over. Fortunately for them (TMO) the Capitol burned down and they were able to collect insurance, otherwise , they were worthless. Bet their insurors didn't know that!


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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why did Mother Divine repurchase property in Boone, NC and then again sell?

 ---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi, is this a topic that has already been discussed on this forum? Some years ago I heard that Mother Divine repurchased their original campus in Boone, North Carolina, some later the news was that they had a gain sold it. This seems a really strange move. Does anybody know the reason?
I heard rumours from sources in North Carolina of long negotiations to buy the property from the Kaplans. When this was finally accomplished, estimates for repairs had to be made as the property lay dormant for quite a while. Mother Divine of course wants everything just so. But when some of the walls were opened up, there was apparently a lot of damage, by mould and water. The cost of fixing this, so I heard, was prohibitive. The damage was not discovered during the inspections leading up to purchase. I wonder where Jyotish was when this deal was made (not that that would have any predictive effect on the outcome)? They sold it to one of the other spiritual groups in the area, I think. TMO financial shenanigans can come back to haunt, as TMO promises not kept were the reason the property had to be abandoned in the first place. There is probably some information on this in the FFL archives, if you can find it now that the neo interface here makes it difficult to do precise searches









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