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'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt
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'Rick Archer' rick@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-09 14:58:45 UTC
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In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on
Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:



"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know
their administration is not of Indian origin.



The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian,
because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas,
Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not
suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.



It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas,
Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari,
Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht
Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted
from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.



Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to
bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but
the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through
its laws.



We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that
governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses
the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most
fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.



For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of
the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance
of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.



The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American,
and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.



It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the
fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified
by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless
principles of life in the name of national unity."
TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 07:27:45 UTC
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As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.



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Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
danfriedman2002
2014-09-10 11:44:01 UTC
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As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.

Just replying to this Post to score one in the competition. Otherwise, this does not merit a response.

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Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 13:00:48 UTC
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Yeah actually it does merit a response, this is Fairfield Life group, not post only things that Dan thinks are good group.



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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.

Just replying to this Post to score one in the competition. Otherwise, this does not merit a response.


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Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 12:50:21 UTC
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Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.



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As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.





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From: "'Rick Archer' ***@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
fleetwood_macncheese@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 13:40:23 UTC
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HA! You two sound like a couple of church ladies, gossiping at the local coffee joint. Support hose, hats, and all.


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Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


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As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
fleetwood_macncheese@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 13:45:44 UTC
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Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


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As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 14:00:22 UTC
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You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



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Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


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Maharishi ~ Excerpt




As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.





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From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 02:14:31 UTC
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Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,

"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



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Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


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To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 02:31:25 UTC
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He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



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Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,

"Whereas this, whereas that",

"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"

And evidently,this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?

Go figure.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


________________________________
From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by
Maharishi ~ Excerpt




As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but
"devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.





________________________________
From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9,
2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign
powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and
Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of
national unity."
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 03:06:45 UTC
Permalink
Michael, I think when you started posting, it was "Marshy was a huckster" in 12 pt. What are you up to now, 14 pt., 16 pt.? I guess you are going to keep ramping it up, thinking that by shouting it louder and louder, it is going to be more convincing.

Good luck with that.


You are a study unto yourself, Michael. How someone can be so obsessed with a person and an organization he left 20 years ago, and does daily research digging up articles 20, 30, 40 years old.


I noticed you came off your most virulent attacks on TM for a few weeks.


I figured it wouldn't last long. It required a more balanced state of being.


I don't think you're there yet, unfortunately.


But you are an interesting study.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 03:30:06 UTC
Permalink
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
jedi_spock@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 08:45:01 UTC
Permalink
He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 11:56:48 UTC
Permalink
Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments

(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 12:29:16 UTC
Permalink
truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.

The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



________________________________
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments

(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)

strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just howinsignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.

it's a "go figure", for sure.







---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :






He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.





--- <***@...> wrote :


He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,

"Whereas this, whereas that",

"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"

And evidently,this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?

Go figure.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


________________________________
From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by
Maharishi ~ Excerpt




As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his
superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but
"devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.




From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration
should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for
the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign
powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise
to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and
Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and
virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of
national unity."
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 12:43:28 UTC
Permalink
you are a piece of work, Michael, and as I said, really a fascinating study.

A study of what, you ask?


Of someone who ignores any evidence, that goes against his pre-conceived notion about things.


An example: The inability to separate the acknowledgment that the movement, and the man had issues, from true believerism. No middle ground for Michael. I guess because it would cause you to stretch your mind some.


You obviously don't realize it, but youere locked into a certain mindset, or really, more a rut, that you find yourself every day.


Evidently is fills a need that you have.


Carry on solider. (-:


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.


The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments


(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 12:48:03 UTC
Permalink
as usual you are incorrect - my mind became free the day I realized Marshy was not enlightened, he ran the movement as his own personal bank, self appreciation society and whorehouse, and that Bevan and company have followed his made up tradition for their own benefit.



________________________________
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




you are a piece of work, Michael, and as I said, really a fascinating study.

A study of what, you ask?

Of someone who ignores any evidence, that goes against his pre-conceived notion about things.

An example: The inability to separate the acknowledgment that the movement, and the man had issues, from true believerism. No middle ground for Michael. I guess because it would cause you to stretch your mind some.

You obviously don't realize it, but youere locked into a certain mindset, or really, more a rut, that you find yourself every day.

Evidently is fills a need that you have.

Carry on solider. (-:



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.

The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments

(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)

strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just howinsignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.

it's a "go figure", for sure.







---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :






He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity,
is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.





--- <***@...> wrote :


He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote
:


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,

"Whereas this, whereas that",

"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"

And evidently,this is
considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?

Go figure.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much
more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


________________________________
From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by
Maharishi ~ Excerpt




As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his
superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but
"devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.




From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration
should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for
the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign
powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise
to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and
Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and
virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of
national unity."
jedi_spock@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 17:24:57 UTC
Permalink
I've been out of the loop for the past couple of years. I
wonder what Bevan and the nephews are up to now?

Any change in the TM mov't since Maharishi died?



--- <***@...> wrote :

as usual you are incorrect - my mind became free the day I realized Marshy was not enlightened, he ran the movement as his own personal bank, self appreciation society and whorehouse, and that Bevan and company have followed his made up tradition for their own benefit.




--- <***@...> wrote :

truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.


The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments


(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.



From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
danfriedman2002
2014-09-11 18:43:53 UTC
Permalink
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




I've been out of the loop for the past couple of years. I
wonder what Bevan and the nephews are up to now?

Any change in the TM mov't since Maharishi died?


Nothing to report to you.

For everyone else, here's an update: As for Beven's whereabouts: He's back from his recent extensive travels--to the Caribbean, Colombia, Japan, Taiwan, China, Cambodia, Malaysia, Thailand, the Brahmasthan of India, to eight countries in Africa, and most recently to Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Romania, the U.K. and Ireland. Upcoming talk at MUM, not to be missed:

Sunday, September 14, 2014
Dalby Hall 8PM
Dr Bevan Morris will talk about the histopry of Maharishi's Vedic Pundit program, from the beginning in Rishikesh.

--- <***@...> wrote :

as usual you are incorrect - my mind became free the day I realized Marshy was not enlightened, he ran the movement as his own personal bank, self appreciation society and whorehouse, and that Bevan and company have followed his made up tradition for their own benefit.




--- <***@...> wrote :

truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.


The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments


(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.



From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
wgm4u
2014-09-11 19:15:30 UTC
Permalink
Regarding powerful comment by MMY posted by Rick:


You can see MMY regards things "of Indian origin" the best, funny how he qualified it thus. Remember MMY was a Hindu!


Also he contradicts his former comments suggesting ANY form of government would be fine if the people in that government are living in accord with natural law, which makes more sense to me.


He seems to suggest this (Vedic, neo-Hindu) government can be imposed from without, and not a gradual *growth* from within, hence his grandiose programs to reform the World, perhaps MMY had a Messiah complex, yes?


Remember what you said MMY?? "For the forest to be green, every tree must be green", that was when his teachings didn't go to his head, I guess.


MMY will always be an enigma, and he never let on whether he was enlightened or not, most people believe he didn't even practice TM. I don't think we even know WHAT he practiced.








From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 19:34:44 UTC
Permalink
I don't think we even know WHAT he practiced.

Deceit, narcissism and money collection.



________________________________
From: wgm4u <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Regarding powerful comment by MMY posted by Rick:

You can see MMY regards things "of Indian origin" the best, funny how he qualified it thus. Remember MMY was a Hindu!

Also he contradicts his former comments suggesting ANY form of government would be fine if the people in that government are living in accord with natural law, which makes more sense to me.

He seems to suggest this (Vedic, neo-Hindu) government can be imposed from without, and not a gradual *growth* from within, hence his grandiose programs to reform the World, perhaps MMY had a Messiah complex, yes?

Remember what you said MMY?? "For the forest to be green, every tree must be green", that was when his teachings didn't go to his head, I guess.

MMY will always be an enigma, and he never let on whether he was enlightened or not, most people believe he didn't even practice TM. I don't think we even know WHAT he practiced.




From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 19:55:27 UTC
Permalink
See Mike, (and thank you for this, by the way), in your mind, this is all true. But to an outside observer, your thinking is often just loose and undisciplined.

As Ann pointed out so well, a little while ago, you are constantly contradicting yourself with the goal of trying to just dish dirt onto the TMO. You know, your prime directive.


And really, unfortunately, this habit of lazy thinking is probably not limited to TM related subjects. It seems too entrenched a habit, and impervious to any feedback for that.


So, ya gotta wonder how this plays out in real life for you.


Of course, you will tell us how splendid your life is, yada, yada, yada.


I'll tell you, my life has plenty of ups and downs, and a lot aggravations.


But I'd be sunk if I wasn't willing to look at situations as realistically as possible.


Love ya, though (-:








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

as usual you are incorrect - my mind became free the day I realized Marshy was not enlightened, he ran the movement as his own personal bank, self appreciation society and whorehouse, and that Bevan and company have followed his made up tradition for their own benefit.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


you are a piece of work, Michael, and as I said, really a fascinating study.


A study of what, you ask?


Of someone who ignores any evidence, that goes against his pre-conceived notion about things.


An example: The inability to separate the acknowledgment that the movement, and the man had issues, from true believerism. No middle ground for Michael. I guess because it would cause you to stretch your mind some.


You obviously don't realize it, but youere locked into a certain mindset, or really, more a rut, that you find yourself every day.


Evidently is fills a need that you have.


Carry on solider. (-:


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.


The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments


(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 20:11:28 UTC
Permalink
Lazy thinking = belief that TM does any thing Marshy said it would, double down on that for TMSP, quadruple to infinity the claims for group yogic flying, yagyas and so on and so forth.



________________________________
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




See Mike, (and thank you for this, by the way), in your mind, this is all true. But to an outside observer, your thinking is often just loose and undisciplined.

As Ann pointed out so well, a little while ago, you are constantly contradicting yourself with the goal of trying to just dish dirt onto the TMO. You know, your prime directive.

And really, unfortunately, this habit of lazy thinking is probably not limited to TM related subjects. It seems too entrenched a habit, and impervious to any feedback for that.

So, ya gotta wonder how this plays out in real life for you.

Of course, you will tell us how splendid your life is, yada, yada, yada.

I'll tell you, my life has plenty of ups and downs, and a lot aggravations.

But I'd be sunk if I wasn't willing to look at situations as realistically as possible.

Love ya, though (-:





---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


as usual you are incorrect - my mind became free the day I realized Marshy was not enlightened, he ran the movement as his own personal bank, self appreciation society and whorehouse, and that Bevan and company have followed his made up tradition for their own benefit.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




you are a piece of work, Michael, and as I said, really a fascinating study.

A study of what, you ask?

Of someone who ignores any evidence, that goes against his pre-conceived notion about things.

An example: The inability to separate the acknowledgment that the movement, and the man had issues, from true believerism. No middle ground for Michael. I guess because it would cause you to stretch your mind some.

You obviously don't realize it, but youere locked into a certain mindset, or really, more a rut, that you find yourself every day.

Evidently is fills a need that you have.

Carry on solider. (-:



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor
blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.

The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments

(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)

strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just howinsignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.

it's a "go figure", for sure.







---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :






He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity,
is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.





--- <***@...> wrote :


He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote
:


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,

"Whereas this, whereas that",

"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"

And evidently,this is
considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?

Go figure.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much
more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


________________________________
From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by
Maharishi ~ Excerpt




As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his
superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but
"devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.




From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration
should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for
the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign
powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise
to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and
Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and
virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of
national unity."
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 13:49:22 UTC
Permalink
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.


I don't think any of it is hurting Steve, he doesn't seem to care enough to let it. And he appears to have gotten what he wanted and needed out of his time in the Movement. But I could be wrong - right now he might be sobbing his eyes out and unable to get out of bed with the devastation wrought on him by your expose.


The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments


(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 00:16:23 UTC
Permalink
Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to do.

But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform the same routine.


"Hi,- I-am-Michael"


"Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"


"Oh-I-haven't?"


"Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"

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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.


I don't think any of it is hurting Steve, he doesn't seem to care enough to let it. And he appears to have gotten what he wanted and needed out of his time in the Movement. But I could be wrong - right now he might be sobbing his eyes out and unable to get out of bed with the devastation wrought on him by your expose.


The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments


(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 01:32:28 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to do.

But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform the same routine.


"Hi,- I-am-Michael"


"Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"


"Oh-I-haven't?"


"Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"


You are correct Steve. I DO like MJ, in spite of his insistence on repeating himself day in and day out. But I can tell he's a good guy and, anyway, I love the fact he is a baker and that he worked his ass off at MIU and I believe he was probably treated ignorantly while he was there so I sympathize. And I don't really mind that he has this need to dredge up all the dirt he can find on the Movement and anyone involved therein - it just happens to be his thing and a very large part of his participation here (hope you don't mind me talking about you, MJ, as if you weren't here 'cause I know you are. I must admit that I am a tad hurt that I am not invited to the Amsterdam dinner, however.). So, I let him ramble on and I watch his delight as bawee takes up the ball and runs around like an idiot with it adding his own 1 cent to the general dissension of the naysayers. It is so funny though because most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations so most of what MJ writes is positively wasted on us drudges. I feel kinda bad because he puts a lot of energy into this and I am such a bad audience but, yes, I can't help but like the guy just like I can't help thinking you're a really good soul as well. I do believe in souls, you know even though they have not been scientifically proven to exist.

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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 11:45:30 UTC
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most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations

That obviously doesn't include Steve, Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri, Share, Doc, Dan - so who are the "most of us?"






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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:32 PM
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to do.

But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform the same routine.

"Hi,- I-am-Michael"

"Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"

"Oh-I-haven't?"

"Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"

You are correct Steve. I DO like MJ, in spite of his insistence on repeating himself day in and day out. But I can tell he's a good guy and, anyway, I love the fact he is a baker and that he worked his ass off at MIU and I believe he was probably treated ignorantly while he was there so I sympathize. And I don't really mind that he has this need to dredge up all the dirt he can find on the Movement and anyone involved therein - it just happens to be his thing and a very large part of his participation here (hope you don't mind me talking about you, MJ, as if you weren't here 'cause I know you are. I must admit that I am a tad hurt that I am not invited to the Amsterdam dinner, however.). So, I let him ramble on and I watch his delight as bawee takes up the ball and runs around like an idiot with it adding his own 1 cent to the general dissension of the naysayers. It is so funny though because most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's
machinations so most of what MJ writes is positively wasted on us drudges. I feel kinda bad because he puts a lot of energy into this and I am such a bad audience but, yes, I can't help but like the guy just like I can't help thinking you're a really good soul as well. I do believe in souls, you know even though they have not been scientifically proven to exist.


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steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 12:14:54 UTC
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michael, here's the deal. if you wouldn't make such an ass of yourself, with this enormous target on your back, saying, "I'm an Ass!", then you might see things more clearly.

As it is, you can't even eat a pizza without tying it to your time in the TMO.


"it would be sad, if it weren't so humorous"


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations


That obviously doesn't include Steve, Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri, Share, Doc, Dan - so who are the "most of us?"






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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to do.

But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform the same routine.


"Hi,- I-am-Michael"


"Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"


"Oh-I-haven't?"


"Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"


You are correct Steve. I DO like MJ, in spite of his insistence on repeating himself day in and day out. But I can tell he's a good guy and, anyway, I love the fact he is a baker and that he worked his ass off at MIU and I believe he was probably treated ignorantly while he was there so I sympathize. And I don't really mind that he has this need to dredge up all the dirt he can find on the Movement and anyone involved therein - it just happens to be his thing and a very large part of his participation here (hope you don't mind me talking about you, MJ, as if you weren't here 'cause I know you are. I must admit that I am a tad hurt that I am not invited to the Amsterdam dinner, however.). So, I let him ramble on and I watch his delight as bawee takes up the ball and runs around like an idiot with it adding his own 1 cent to the general dissension of the naysayers. It is so funny though because most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations so most of what MJ writes is positively wasted on us drudges. I feel kinda bad because he puts a lot of energy into this and I am such a bad audience but, yes, I can't help but like the guy just like I can't help thinking you're a really good soul as well. I do believe in souls, you know even though they have not been scientifically proven to exist.

VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROOM DANCING CRINOLINE LADY DOLL http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw

http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw

VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROO... http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw THE BELLE OF THE BALL - WATCH HER DANCE AROUND THE FLOOR IN HER LOVELY BLUE CRINOLINE DRESS http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1950s-WIN...



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fleetwood_macncheese@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 13:49:52 UTC
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I am not neutral about it, but I could happily and easily go the rest of my life, not mentioning either TM or the TMO, again. I never mention it to anyone off this forum, nor have I been in a TMO facility, in twenty years. On the one hand, it is baked in, so why bother, and on the other hand, everyone has free will, and can do as they please.

You are clearly a very likable fanatic regarding TM. Perhaps that is the difference, I am not a fanatic - There are elements in my life that I am forever grateful to have, but they are also my business, and no one else's. I don't mind hearing different points of view, but I cannot help but evaluate them, on the basis of who is sharing them with me. As I have touched on before, you do not make a convincing case, for why a person shouldn't take up the practice of TM.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations


That obviously doesn't include Steve, Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri, Share, Doc, Dan - so who are the "most of us?"






From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to do.

But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform the same routine.


"Hi,- I-am-Michael"


"Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"


"Oh-I-haven't?"


"Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"


You are correct Steve. I DO like MJ, in spite of his insistence on repeating himself day in and day out. But I can tell he's a good guy and, anyway, I love the fact he is a baker and that he worked his ass off at MIU and I believe he was probably treated ignorantly while he was there so I sympathize. And I don't really mind that he has this need to dredge up all the dirt he can find on the Movement and anyone involved therein - it just happens to be his thing and a very large part of his participation here (hope you don't mind me talking about you, MJ, as if you weren't here 'cause I know you are. I must admit that I am a tad hurt that I am not invited to the Amsterdam dinner, however.). So, I let him ramble on and I watch his delight as bawee takes up the ball and runs around like an idiot with it adding his own 1 cent to the general dissension of the naysayers. It is so funny though because most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations so most of what MJ writes is positively wasted on us drudges. I feel kinda bad because he puts a lot of energy into this and I am such a bad audience but, yes, I can't help but like the guy just like I can't help thinking you're a really good soul as well. I do believe in souls, you know even though they have not been scientifically proven to exist.

VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROOM DANCING CRINOLINE LADY DOLL http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw

http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw

VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROO... http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw THE BELLE OF THE BALL - WATCH HER DANCE AROUND THE FLOOR IN HER LOVELY BLUE CRINOLINE DRESS http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1950s-WIN...



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nablusoss1008
2014-09-12 14:48:48 UTC
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It's lived, that's the whole point, what else is the use of contacting silence if not to bring it out and live it ? And, at least for me, there is a ongoing discrimination and evaluation of everything seen, tasted, heard and read. The more positivity and universality, the more heart and mind expands. Likewise, when reading foul language, swearing and namecalling from someone like MJ it evokes sadness and contraction, not for me but on behalf of the soul involved and his likeminded comrades. Like you wrote: "As I have touched on before, you do not make a convincing case, for why a person shouldn't take up the practice of TM."


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I am not neutral about it, but I could happily and easily go the rest of my life, not mentioning either TM or the TMO, again. I never mention it to anyone off this forum, nor have I been in a TMO facility, in twenty years. On the one hand, it is baked in, so why bother, and on the other hand, everyone has free will, and can do as they please.

You are clearly a very likable fanatic regarding TM. Perhaps that is the difference, I am not a fanatic - There are elements in my life that I am forever grateful to have, but they are also my business, and no one else's. I don't mind hearing different points of view, but I cannot help but evaluate them, on the basis of who is sharing them with me. As I have touched on before, you do not make a convincing case, for why a person shouldn't take up the practice of TM.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations


That obviously doesn't include Steve, Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri, Share, Doc, Dan - so who are the "most of us?"







From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to do.

But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform the same routine.


"Hi,- I-am-Michael"


"Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"


"Oh-I-haven't?"


"Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"


You are correct Steve. I DO like MJ, in spite of his insistence on repeating himself day in and day out. But I can tell he's a good guy and, anyway, I love the fact he is a baker and that he worked his ass off at MIU and I believe he was probably treated ignorantly while he was there so I sympathize. And I don't really mind that he has this need to dredge up all the dirt he can find on the Movement and anyone involved therein - it just happens to be his thing and a very large part of his participation here (hope you don't mind me talking about you, MJ, as if you weren't here 'cause I know you are. I must admit that I am a tad hurt that I am not invited to the Amsterdam dinner, however.). So, I let him ramble on and I watch his delight as bawee takes up the ball and runs around like an idiot with it adding his own 1 cent to the general dissension of the naysayers. It is so funny though because most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations so most of what MJ writes is positively wasted on us drudges. I feel kinda bad because he puts a lot of energy into this and I am such a bad audience but, yes, I can't help but like the guy just like I can't help thinking you're a really good soul as well. I do believe in souls, you know even though they have not been scientifically proven to exist.

VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROOM DANCING CRINOLINE LADY DOLL http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw

http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw

VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROO... http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw THE BELLE OF THE BALL - WATCH HER DANCE AROUND THE FLOOR IN HER LOVELY BLUE CRINOLINE DRESS http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1950s-WIN...



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fleetwood_macncheese@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 20:43:52 UTC
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Hi, welll....I personally like foul language sometimes, but I know what you mean. Yeah, the mantra and the person become indistinguishable from one another. TM, 24x7, and like the air we breathe, TM disappears, while remaining vital.
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

It's lived, that's the whole point, what else is the use of contacting silence if not to bring it out and live it ? And, at least for me, there is a ongoing discrimination and evaluation of everything seen, tasted, heard and read. The more positivity and universality, the more heart and mind expands. Likewise, when reading foul language, swearing and namecalling from someone like MJ it evokes sadness and contraction, not for me but on behalf of the soul involved and his likeminded comrades. Like you wrote: "As I have touched on before, you do not make a convincing case, for why a person shouldn't take up the practice of TM."


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I am not neutral about it, but I could happily and easily go the rest of my life, not mentioning either TM or the TMO, again. I never mention it to anyone off this forum, nor have I been in a TMO facility, in twenty years. On the one hand, it is baked in, so why bother, and on the other hand, everyone has free will, and can do as they please.

You are clearly a very likable fanatic regarding TM. Perhaps that is the difference, I am not a fanatic - There are elements in my life that I am forever grateful to have, but they are also my business, and no one else's. I don't mind hearing different points of view, but I cannot help but evaluate them, on the basis of who is sharing them with me. As I have touched on before, you do not make a convincing case, for why a person shouldn't take up the practice of TM.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations


That obviously doesn't include Steve, Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri, Share, Doc, Dan - so who are the "most of us?"







From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:32 PM
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to do.

But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform the same routine.


"Hi,- I-am-Michael"


"Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"


"Oh-I-haven't?"


"Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"


You are correct Steve. I DO like MJ, in spite of his insistence on repeating himself day in and day out. But I can tell he's a good guy and, anyway, I love the fact he is a baker and that he worked his ass off at MIU and I believe he was probably treated ignorantly while he was there so I sympathize. And I don't really mind that he has this need to dredge up all the dirt he can find on the Movement and anyone involved therein - it just happens to be his thing and a very large part of his participation here (hope you don't mind me talking about you, MJ, as if you weren't here 'cause I know you are. I must admit that I am a tad hurt that I am not invited to the Amsterdam dinner, however.). So, I let him ramble on and I watch his delight as bawee takes up the ball and runs around like an idiot with it adding his own 1 cent to the general dissension of the naysayers. It is so funny though because most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations so most of what MJ writes is positively wasted on us drudges. I feel kinda bad because he puts a lot of energy into this and I am such a bad audience but, yes, I can't help but like the guy just like I can't help thinking you're a really good soul as well. I do believe in souls, you know even though they have not been scientifically proven to exist.

VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROOM DANCING CRINOLINE LADY DOLL http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw

http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw

VINTAGE WIND UP MECHANICAL BALLROO... http://youtu.be/nHgEl4SFtDw THE BELLE OF THE BALL - WATCH HER DANCE AROUND THE FLOOR IN HER LOVELY BLUE CRINOLINE DRESS http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1950s-WIN...



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awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 13:58:47 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations


That obviously doesn't include Steve, Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri, Share, Doc, Dan - so who are the "most of us?"



I'll tell you. Nabby is def the most hardcore TM guy here. Buck plays it up and has his likes and his dislikes about the Movement but believes in the ME and in the process of TM itself as enriching. So, Buck takes some and leaves some. Feste does his thing and apparently likes living in FF for all sorts of reasons beyond the fact so many are TM'ers there. Feste has been around long enough to know the positives from the negatives when it comes to TM and and Movement. I don't know about Sri, I don't read his posts as they don't interest me. Share can laugh about most of it and certainly doesn't get on any soapboxes about TM, and if you'll notice she's into all sorts of stuff besides TM. Steve is very far from being some "sycophant" as you call it. He is probably the least pro TM and Movement of those you listed. He has had a very busy life away from FF and has a full family life beyond TM. Doc simply stands behind the practice and he feels his life has everything to show for what TM and hard work and intention can bring one in their personal journey. Doc is his own man - independent, fulfilled and well-rounded. Dan is not afraid to embrace and admit his deep interest and involvement in things MMY and TM. But the guy seems hardly like some aescetic, pale skinned anaemic terminal rounder. He goes to Zabar's, watches the barely clothed on the catwalk at Fashion Week, can swear like a sailor and generally is having a little fun here finding a few buttons to push (notice, bawee has headed for the hills). So, all in all, you are misreading these people thinking you are getting under their skin by dissing TM and Maharishi. They don't care, they aren't being shown 'the light' by you proclaiming how you feel about the 'old goat'. But Nabby is your man, if you want to single one person out who is 100% pro TM.





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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Look Ann, I know we all have a soft spot for Michael. I do, and I sense you to do.

But, I confess, I do derive a certain amount of pleasure, or I guess amusement would be a better word, to see him wind himself up every morning, and perform the same routine.


"Hi,- I-am-Michael"


"Have-I-told-you-today-that-the-TMO-is-a-bad-organization"


"Oh-I-haven't?"


"Shame-on-me. I-will-start-right-in"


You are correct Steve. I DO like MJ, in spite of his insistence on repeating himself day in and day out. But I can tell he's a good guy and, anyway, I love the fact he is a baker and that he worked his ass off at MIU and I believe he was probably treated ignorantly while he was there so I sympathize. And I don't really mind that he has this need to dredge up all the dirt he can find on the Movement and anyone involved therein - it just happens to be his thing and a very large part of his participation here (hope you don't mind me talking about you, MJ, as if you weren't here 'cause I know you are. I must admit that I am a tad hurt that I am not invited to the Amsterdam dinner, however.). So, I let him ramble on and I watch his delight as bawee takes up the ball and runs around like an idiot with it adding his own 1 cent to the general dissension of the naysayers. It is so funny though because most of us here are neutral about TM and the Movement's machinations so most of what MJ writes is positively wasted on us drudges. I feel kinda bad because he puts a lot of energy into this and I am such a bad audience but, yes, I can't help but like the guy just like I can't help thinking you're a really good soul as well. I do believe in souls, you know even though they have not been scientifically proven to exist.

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steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 00:50:36 UTC
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Michael,

This is the same mediocre, beginner's that caused you have all those remarkable experiences you bragged about sometime back?


Do you think you could, please, pretty please, with a cherry on top, reenact that wonderful three page disavowal of all those neat experiences you provided to us. (the one that didn't make any sense)


I have some extra time tonight, and that would be a real treat.


Whaddya say?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.


The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments


(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 11:42:18 UTC
Permalink
you are a TM sycophant and idiot - I never brag, I merely report what was. Any fool knows that one's experience has to do with oneself, not the technique - the experiences TM people report are not unique, they can be had through innumerable methods or no method at all.

The mistake one makes is to identify the experience with the method or the so-called guru. An eve bigger fool refuses to recognize when the so-called guru is actually a fraud who banks on the fact that when people start closing their eyes and getting quiet, they have experiences - all he had to do was fool them into believing they were dependent on him for their evolution and salvation.


I finally had sense enough to recognize the teacher was no guru and the Movement was as full of crap.



________________________________
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Michael,

This is the same mediocre, beginner's that caused you have all those remarkable experiences you bragged about sometime back?

Do you think you could, please, pretty please, with a cherry on top, reenact that wonderful three page disavowal of all those neat experiences you provided to us. (the one that didn't make any sense)

I have some extra time tonight, and that would be a real treat.

Whaddya say?



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.

The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments

(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)

strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just howinsignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.

it's a "go figure", for sure.







---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :






He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity,
is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.





--- <***@...> wrote :


He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote
:


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,

"Whereas this, whereas that",

"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"

And evidently,this is
considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?

Go figure.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much
more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


________________________________
From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by
Maharishi ~ Excerpt




As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his
superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but
"devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.




From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration
should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for
the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign
powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise
to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and
Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and
virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of
national unity."
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-12 12:09:19 UTC
Permalink
you do realize you're not making any sense, right?

you're kind of like the cartoon character trying to squeeze through a hole, but gets stuck with only his butt sticking out.


It would be sad if it weren't so humorous!


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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

you are a TM sycophant and idiot - I never brag, I merely report what was. Any fool knows that one's experience has to do with oneself, not the technique - the experiences TM people report are not unique, they can be had through innumerable methods or no method at all.


The mistake one makes is to identify the experience with the method or the so-called guru. An eve bigger fool refuses to recognize when the so-called guru is actually a fraud who banks on the fact that when people start closing their eyes and getting quiet, they have experiences - all he had to do was fool them into believing they were dependent on him for their evolution and salvation.



I finally had sense enough to recognize the teacher was no guru and the Movement was as full of crap.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Michael,


This is the same mediocre, beginner's that caused you have all those remarkable experiences you bragged about sometime back?


Do you think you could, please, pretty please, with a cherry on top, reenact that wonderful three page disavowal of all those neat experiences you provided to us. (the one that didn't make any sense)


I have some extra time tonight, and that would be a real treat.


Whaddya say?


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

truth hurts, eh Stevie? Blabbering about what a god he was won't make it so, nor blabbering about how fine the world will be because of TMSP don't make it so.


The state of the world itself shows clearly that Marshy failed in all his stated goals, was successful in all his real goals and that TM is a medicore beginners meditation that won't save one soul or change one thing, except Girish and Bevan's bank balance.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Oh yes, Jedi, care to tell us about all your grand accomplishments


(psst: you're the one still talking about him after all these years. but I won't tell anyone)


strange, how so much chatter on this site, is just how insignificant MMY was, or is, after all these years.


it's a "go figure", for sure.








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :




He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.



--- <***@...> wrote :

He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,


"Whereas this, whereas that",


"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"


And evidently, this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?


Go figure.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.



So what do YOU think of this quote?


To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.






From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt


In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 12:30:31 UTC
Permalink
None of the TM sycophants here will believe you jedi, not till Girish starts to go batty like his uncle and sells MUM out from under Buck and the boys.



________________________________
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:45 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt








He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.

The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the
'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.

He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The
damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a
religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing
but deceptive 'double talk'.





--- <***@...> wrote :


He was a huckster - if you can't admit it, you are much the poorer.



--- <***@...> wrote :


OK , I'll try this. Maharishi was huckster. I'm rich!!



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Mikey's back to his old routine with the non stop, incessant proclamations,

"Whereas this, whereas that",

"Be it resolved that Marshy is a huckster"

And evidently,this is considered intelligent fare, and should be encouraged?

Go figure.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


You're right, the bloody clashes between fanatic Hindus and Muslims is much more palatable. In addition, I was referring to the fact that Marshy always praised and flattered whatever group he was speaking to so as to not offend and keep his followers. When speaking to Jews he flattered Judaism and when speaking to Christians, he flattered the Christians. Liar, huckster and user.



________________________________
From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.


________________________________
From: "TurquoiseBee ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by
Maharishi ~ Excerpt




As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.


So what do YOU think of this quote?

To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his
superstition and devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but
"devatas" and "yagyas" are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.




From: "'Rick Archer' ***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt




In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration
should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for
the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign
powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise
to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and
Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and
virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of
national unity."
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 15:18:51 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.


Are you actually expecting the Little Boys Club to be consistent, Mac?! One minute they're serious, the next minute they're "joking". Then you're damned if you're a renegade at MUM and damned if you're a TB. Next thing, you'll find out is bawee believes he saw some man, day after day, defy all the laws of nature and MJ is defending Christianity.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 15:25:34 UTC
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Only someone who is totally out to lunch would interpret my statement as defending Christianity rather than my statement pointing up Marshy's hypocrisy in fawning all over followers of other religions to get their loyalty and money while he really reviled all religions except Hinduism. (More than one of his skin boys has said so)

Personally, I have no problems with Christianity any more than any other religions. They can all be used as a fulfilling personal pathway or can be misused and turned into cults, just like TM.



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From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt








---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.

Are you actually expecting the Little Boys Club to be consistent, Mac?! One minute they're serious, the next minute they're "joking". Then you're damned if you're a renegade at MUM and damned if you're a TB. Next thing, you'll find out is bawee believes he saw some man, day after day, defy all the laws of nature and MJ is defending Christianity.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :


Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.
awoelflebater@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 15:31:58 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Only someone who is totally out to lunch would interpret my statement as defending Christianity rather than my statement pointing up Marshy's hypocrisy in fawning all over followers of other religions to get their loyalty and money while he really reviled all religions except Hinduism. (More than one of his skin boys has said so)


I wrote: "Next thing...". It was a prediction for the future, an imaginary scenario. It was a "yolk".


Personally, I have no problems with Christianity any more than any other religions. They can all be used as a fulfilling personal pathway or can be misused and turned into cults, just like TM.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.


Are you actually expecting the Little Boys Club to be consistent, Mac?! One minute they're serious, the next minute they're "joking". Then you're damned if you're a renegade at MUM and damned if you're a TB. Next thing, you'll find out is bawee believes he saw some man, day after day, defy all the laws of nature and MJ is defending Christianity.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 02:26:41 UTC
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Mikey, in case you should happen to be unaware, this is how your posts are viewed.

"How is he going to go from point A to point B, this time".


We know beforehand what is point B. The only (rather dull) question is what point A is going to be this time.


And yet, this is what passes as intelligent fare by some here?


Or maybe even those who might be sympathetic realize what a rut this is for someone to be in.


And let's be honest. It's more than just a few minutes a day.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Only someone who is totally out to lunch would interpret my statement as defending Christianity rather than my statement pointing up Marshy's hypocrisy in fawning all over followers of other religions to get their loyalty and money while he really reviled all religions except Hinduism. (More than one of his skin boys has said so)


Personally, I have no problems with Christianity any more than any other religions. They can all be used as a fulfilling personal pathway or can be misused and turned into cults, just like TM.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishi ~ Excerpt






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Funny, I thought anyone with a brain had contempt for Christianity. Are you really defending such an empty religion, that encourages mood-making, insists on an intermediary between me and God, proselytizes by slaughter, and has no technique for speedy liberation?? When you take away Christmas (presents) and Easter (candy), Christianity is pretty fucked up.


Are you actually expecting the Little Boys Club to be consistent, Mac?! One minute they're serious, the next minute they're "joking". Then you're damned if you're a renegade at MUM and damned if you're a TB. Next thing, you'll find out is bawee believes he saw some man, day after day, defy all the laws of nature and MJ is defending Christianity.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Not to mention his contempt for Christianity.
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-10 16:06:14 UTC
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OTOH, the "Nehru Dynasty" was one of fascism.
Post by TurquoiseBee ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As you often do, Rick, you posted this without comment.
So what do YOU think of this quote?
To me it's one of the clearest revelations of Maharishi's often-hidden
Hindu Supremacy agenda ever. Not to mention his superstition and
devotion to Woo Woo. "Secularism" is bad, but "devatas" and "yagyas"
are "scientific reality." Yeah, right.
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*Sent:* Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:58 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth'
by Maharishi ~ Excerpt
In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India/,/ the Lighthouse of Peace
/"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration
should know their administration is not of Indian origin. /
/The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian,
because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas,
Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it
is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life. /
/It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas,
Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the
requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it
does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of
non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years
of slavery of foreign powers in India. /
/Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying
to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic
Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of
Indian life through its laws. /
/We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism
that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which
dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put
these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy. /
/For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the
wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through
the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to
his Cosmic Potential. /
/The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British,
American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life. /
/It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow
the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually
crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of
Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."/
nablusoss1008
2014-09-10 19:25:06 UTC
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Very true, and this wave of foreign influence can only be turned around by enlivening the Ved. The new Indian President seems to agree.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following:


"Those people who are holding the reins of Indian administration should know their administration is not of Indian origin.

The Indian Constitution, promoted by Jawaharlal Nehru, is non-Indian, because it does not nourish the life of either Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it is only suited to Varn Shankar Shrisht - it is not suited for the survival and evolution of pure life.

It does not cater for the natural specialties of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, or Shudras; it does not even suit the requirements of Brahmachari, Grihastha, Vanaprastha, or Sanyas - it does not cater for the Varn Prasht Vyavastha - it is a copy of non-Indian ideals of life, which have resulted from thousands of years of slavery of foreign powers in India.

Through Devata Yagya and Anusthan, Bhakti, and Vedant, we are trying to bless the world from the ancient Indian heritage - the Vedic Heritage; but the Government of India is suppressing the reality of Indian life through its laws.

We strongly condemn the word "secular and the meaning of secularism that governs the administration of the Government of India, and which dismisses the scientific reality of Devatas and Yagyas and has put these most fundamental fields of intelligence out of government policy.

For India to be ideal, it has to rise to invincibility through the wisdom of the Veda; through devotion to Devatas and Yagyas and through the performance of Yagya and Anusthan for the individual to rise to his Cosmic Potential.

The deep roots of Dharma have been cruelly invaded by the British, American, and German Christian-oriented philosophy of life.

It is a shame for Indians, living in the Land of the Veda, to allow the fundamentals of their Vedic Knowledge to be invaded and virtually crucified by the shallow and very superficial principles of Christendom - baseless principles of life in the name of national unity."
ultrarishi
2014-09-10 21:32:01 UTC
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When MMY started on his "give me that old time Veda, give me that old time Veda" routine to help return India to an ancient theocracy, etc., I really thought he was missing the whole point of his programs.

Veda had its chance and it obviously blew it because poor old Bharat got conquered... a lot. I guess too many Brahmans were off the program or something.

Anyway, I always thought that what was really going on is that Veda is infinitely creative and resourceful and always unfolding to each new situation. I kept thinking that MMY is missing this. Going backwards to what India once had with its Caste System, etc., was and would be a great source of suffering in the world and anti-evolutionary.

They way I was seeing the world, thanks to TM and the TM Sidhi programs, was that the world needed to move more FORWARD towards science, real science and that "through" the window of science" we would see the efficacy of meditation in our personal life and in society. Through science we would dump what was anit-evolutionary and causes suffering.

There is and was too much room for abuse in a theocratically controlled society because there are no checks and balances. It's all "my Vedic way or the highway" and " you can't cognize what I cognize, so take my word for it."

My feeling is that world will write a new Mandala. The best protection of India's Vedic traditions is a secular government. It allows the market place of ideas and spirits to rise up to their populace for selection. It allows for balance and for an airing out of frauds who would otherwise hide in some bureacracy somewhere. We all have been hearing over the decades about the cluster-fuck at Jyotir Math with SBS passed on and his succession was contentious. Image that on a national scale with nuclear weapons and armies in the hands of a theocracy. Show me a benign Vedic dictator and I'll show you a blind Vedic subject following him.

Don't get me wrong. I love MMY and having been a meditator going on 39 years, with nothing but praise for my technique. I think it does many good things. Government isn't one of them.
danfriedman2002
2014-09-10 23:24:07 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

When MMY started on his "give me that old time Veda, give me that old time Veda" routine to help return India to an ancient theocracy, etc., I really thought he was missing the whole point of his programs.

Veda had its chance and it obviously blew it because poor old Bharat got conquered... a lot. I guess too many Brahmans were off the program or something.

Anyway, I always thought that what was really going on is that Veda is infinitely creative and resourceful and always unfolding to each new situation. I kept thinking that MMY is missing this. Going backwards to what India once had with its Caste System, etc., was and would be a great source of suffering in the world and anti-evolutionary.

They way I was seeing the world, thanks to TM and the TM Sidhi programs, was that the world needed to move more FORWARD towards science, real science and that "through" the window of science" we would see the efficacy of meditation in our personal life and in society. Through science we would dump what was anit-evolutionary and causes suffering.

There is and was too much room for abuse in a theocratically controlled society because there are no checks and balances. It's all "my Vedic way or the highway" and " you can't cognize what I cognize, so take my word for it."

My feeling is that world will write a new Mandala. The best protection of India's Vedic traditions is a secular government. It allows the market place of ideas and spirits to rise up to their populace for selection. It allows for balance and for an airing out of frauds who would otherwise hide in some bureacracy somewhere. We all have been hearing over the decades about the cluster-fuck at Jyotir Math with SBS passed on and his succession was contentious. Image that on a national scale with nuclear weapons and armies in the hands of a theocracy. Show me a benign Vedic dictator and I'll show you a blind Vedic subject following him.

Don't get me wrong. I love MMY and having been a meditator going on 39 years, with nothing but praise for my technique. I think it does many good things. Government isn't one of them.

Dear ultrarishi,

I think that your post is a worthwhile one. Especially for analyzing what is going on here.

This Thread started with Rick trying to provoke contention with a snip from a book. OK, Rick likes to be contentious, just look at ffl or the smorgasboard offering at Batgap. That I can correct for.

Now, Rick incites and you bite. That is human nature. Once inflamed passions run wild.

You prove your objectivity with: "I love MMY and having been a meditator going on 39 years, with nothing but praise for my technique. I think it does many good things.". How do you reconcile that with your other 'thoughts'?:
"I really thought he was missing the whole point of his programs." "Anyway, I always thought that what was really going on is that Veda is infinitely creative and resourceful and always unfolding to each new situation. I kept thinking that MMY is missing this."Maharishi has not missed either of these points. The are his Programs. He is the Veda.

I'd explain more, but I'm not sure of your level of understanding. Please let me know.


P.S. Pointing out how screwed up things are, i.e. Joytir Math succession, Bharat vanquished is not an argument for Maharishi's failures, but a strong endorsement of his Programs.
fleetwood_macncheese@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 00:17:45 UTC
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I agree. So much of what Maharishi did, was to fracture existing thought patterns, ways of seeing the world. He was quite open about the reality of kali yuga, and that his tm and tmsp would bring about a transformation to sat yuga, very quickly. So the expectation is set, that he doesn't see his future for the world, as it currently exists.

Revolution. What was the timeframe? Did he mean, I could live in a sat yuga? What does he mean? What is he doing? Should I follow? Architecture, Religion, Education, Farming, Health, Amusement Parks, The Tallest Building in the world, etc, etc. WTF? Always more questions than answers.

Until a slanted look is achieved, like a sun beam, always resting on silence, stock still. Always a buffer of silence - one more breath before action, one less breath in meditation. From there, any comparison can be made in the mind - hmmm, this world, or that world? This way, or that? It becomes play, to a satisfied, and ever buoyant mind.


But to those unfortunate souls, who dwell without silence, it drives them crazy; the spiral of life continues, without the upward, wafting influence of silence, and so a person's mind runs in tighter circles.


Transcendence is as necessary to us, as water, or air, or sleep, or sex, or colors, or dancing, or music is. Established in silence, we can then play within Maharishi's words, and worlds, like a special scenery to be enjoyed, a unique perspective, also established in silence.
---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

When MMY started on his "give me that old time Veda, give me that old time Veda" routine to help return India to an ancient theocracy, etc., I really thought he was missing the whole point of his programs.

Veda had its chance and it obviously blew it because poor old Bharat got conquered... a lot. I guess too many Brahmans were off the program or something.

Anyway, I always thought that what was really going on is that Veda is infinitely creative and resourceful and always unfolding to each new situation. I kept thinking that MMY is missing this. Going backwards to what India once had with its Caste System, etc., was and would be a great source of suffering in the world and anti-evolutionary.

They way I was seeing the world, thanks to TM and the TM Sidhi programs, was that the world needed to move more FORWARD towards science, real science and that "through" the window of science" we would see the efficacy of meditation in our personal life and in society. Through science we would dump what was anit-evolutionary and causes suffering.

There is and was too much room for abuse in a theocratically controlled society because there are no checks and balances. It's all "my Vedic way or the highway" and " you can't cognize what I cognize, so take my word for it."

My feeling is that world will write a new Mandala. The best protection of India's Vedic traditions is a secular government. It allows the market place of ideas and spirits to rise up to their populace for selection. It allows for balance and for an airing out of frauds who would otherwise hide in some bureacracy somewhere. We all have been hearing over the decades about the cluster-fuck at Jyotir Math with SBS passed on and his succession was contentious. Image that on a national scale with nuclear weapons and armies in the hands of a theocracy. Show me a benign Vedic dictator and I'll show you a blind Vedic subject following him.

Don't get me wrong. I love MMY and having been a meditator going on 39 years, with nothing but praise for my technique. I think it does many good things. Government isn't one of them.

Dear ultrarishi,

I think that your post is a worthwhile one. Especially for analyzing what is going on here.

This Thread started with Rick trying to provoke contention with a snip from a book. OK, Rick likes to be contentious, just look at ffl or the smorgasboard offering at Batgap. That I can correct for.

Now, Rick incites and you bite. That is human nature. Once inflamed passions run wild.

You prove your objectivity with: "I love MMY and having been a meditator going on 39 years, with nothing but praise for my technique. I think it does many good things.". How do you reconcile that with your other 'thoughts'?:
"I really thought he was missing the whole point of his programs." "Anyway, I always thought that what was really going on is that Veda is infinitely creative and resourceful and always unfolding to each new situation. I kept thinking that MMY is missing this."Maharishi has not missed either of these points. The are his Programs. He is the Veda.

I'd explain more, but I'm not sure of your level of understanding. Please let me know.


P.S. Pointing out how screwed up things are, i.e. Joytir Math succession, Bharat vanquished is not an argument for Maharishi's failures, but a strong endorsement of his Programs.
steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2014-09-11 02:50:03 UTC
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and somewhere Michael J. must be unzipping his pants so he can piss on this small positive comment, just as he feels a need to piss on every other positive comment (big or small) about TM, not unlike a dog who feels the need to piss on every tree and every fire hydrant it passes, so it feels it has left a mark.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Don't get me wrong. I love MMY and having been a meditator going on 39 years, with nothing but praise for my technique. I think it does many good things. Government isn't one of them.
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