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Roots of TM
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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-02 13:14:28 UTC
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New Paul Mason book on TM
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm
s3raphita@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-02 23:12:27 UTC
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Thanks for the link.

This promises to be a sane, well-informed guide to the tradition which brought us all to FFL.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

New Paul Mason book on TM


http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm
Duveyoung
2015-07-02 23:37:14 UTC
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Is Girish mentioned in this book? Just askin' about OUR ROOTS.

Any mention of these issues that I noted the other day? Here's the snip:

This movement is TAINTED in the headlines with regularity. ACTUAL Rapist psychiatrist, ACTUAL illegal convicted hustler Beckley, ACTUAL commodity scandal, ACTUAL campus murder scandal, ACTUAL serial rapist in the "dome house," ACTUAL indentured servitude of foreigners, ACTUAL Maharishi scandals, ACTUAL Girish scandals, ACTUAL MUM leaders' sex scandals, ACTUAL vile "it's real science" posturing, ACTUAL false promising of results, ACTUAL snake oil huxterisms for illegally smuggled drugs containing mercury, ACTUAL campus suicides, ACTUAL Kaplan scandal, and on and on and on.......

Any mention of the above?

Any?

A whiff of a hint of a nuance of a bit of a titch of a mention?

Nah, right?




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Thanks for the link.

This promises to be a sane, well-informed guide to the tradition which brought us all to FFL.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

New Paul Mason book on TM


http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-02 23:46:56 UTC
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Dunno - ain't read it yet - just found out about its existence yesterday

From: Duveyoung <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

  Is Girish mentioned in this book?  Just askin' about OUR ROOTS.  
Any mention of these issues that I noted the other day?  Here's the snip:

This movement is TAINTED in the headlines with regularity.  ACTUAL Rapist psychiatrist, ACTUAL illegal convicted hustler Beckley, ACTUAL commodity scandal, ACTUAL campus murder scandal, ACTUAL serial rapist in the "dome house," ACTUAL indentured servitude of foreigners, ACTUAL Maharishi scandals, ACTUAL Girish scandals, ACTUAL MUM leaders' sex scandals, ACTUAL vile "it's real science" posturing, ACTUAL false promising of results, ACTUAL snake oil huxterisms for illegally smuggled drugs containing mercury, ACTUAL campus suicides, ACTUAL Kaplan scandal, and on and on and on.......

Any mention of the above?  

Any?

A whiff of a hint of a nuance of a bit of a titch of a mention?

Nah, right?  






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Thanks for the link. 
This promises to be a sane, well-informed guide to the tradition which brought us all to FFL.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

New Paul Mason book on TM
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm
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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-02 23:50:29 UTC
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'Roots of TM' offers information about Maharishi's 'missing years', from the time when his master passed away through to the gradual build up of his stated mission to spiritually regenerate the world
I am looking forward to what Mason has to say, I always had the idea that those years Marshy spent lazing around on his parent's couch when he wasn't hanging out in the local hooka den with his hooligan friends. But we shall see.
I also like the idea it was written by Paul Mason since if I remember correctly Nabby and a couple other true believers hated Mason for his other Marshy book.

From: Duveyoung <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

  Is Girish mentioned in this book?  Just askin' about OUR ROOTS.  
Any mention of these issues that I noted the other day?  Here's the snip:

This movement is TAINTED in the headlines with regularity.  ACTUAL Rapist psychiatrist, ACTUAL illegal convicted hustler Beckley, ACTUAL commodity scandal, ACTUAL campus murder scandal, ACTUAL serial rapist in the "dome house," ACTUAL indentured servitude of foreigners, ACTUAL Maharishi scandals, ACTUAL Girish scandals, ACTUAL MUM leaders' sex scandals, ACTUAL vile "it's real science" posturing, ACTUAL false promising of results, ACTUAL snake oil huxterisms for illegally smuggled drugs containing mercury, ACTUAL campus suicides, ACTUAL Kaplan scandal, and on and on and on.......

Any mention of the above?  

Any?

A whiff of a hint of a nuance of a bit of a titch of a mention?

Nah, right?  






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Thanks for the link. 
This promises to be a sane, well-informed guide to the tradition which brought us all to FFL.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

New Paul Mason book on TM
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm
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steve.sundur@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-02 23:53:50 UTC
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Sounds like someone needs to be writin a book.

The Edg Duveyoung compendium of the TMO's misdeeds, with a forward by (__________), or as alternate title,


How the Girish stole Christmas. (-:


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Is Girish mentioned in this book? Just askin' about OUR ROOTS.

Any mention of these issues that I noted the other day? Here's the snip:

This movement is TAINTED in the headlines with regularity. ACTUAL Rapist psychiatrist, ACTUAL illegal convicted hustler Beckley, ACTUAL commodity scandal, ACTUAL campus murder scandal, ACTUAL serial rapist in the "dome house," ACTUAL indentured servitude of foreigners, ACTUAL Maharishi scandals, ACTUAL Girish scandals, ACTUAL MUM leaders' sex scandals, ACTUAL vile "it's real science" posturing, ACTUAL false promising of results, ACTUAL snake oil huxterisms for illegally smuggled drugs containing mercury, ACTUAL campus suicides, ACTUAL Kaplan scandal, and on and on and on.......

Any mention of the above?

Any?

A whiff of a hint of a nuance of a bit of a titch of a mention?

Nah, right?




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Thanks for the link.

This promises to be a sane, well-informed guide to the tradition which brought us all to FFL.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

New Paul Mason book on TM


http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm http://www.amazon.com/Roots-TM-Transcendental-Meditation-Maharishi/dp/0956222889/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435842793&sr=1-1&keywords=roots+of+tm
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-03 16:02:35 UTC
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Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
Share Long sharelong60@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-03 16:19:00 UTC
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I've heard that according to the Veda: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya."If a person has realized this and is living this in every moment, then roles, indeed everything, would be both Brahman and maya.
At that point, surely life would not have to be one thing or the other, contemplation or worldly role.
Maya is covering when tamas dominates; veil when rajas dominates and ladder to reality when sattva dominates. 

A friend once heard Maharishi say that we can not imagine how inclusive Brahman is.
"Far in the distance is seen the owner of the house reverberating."
Hopefully not too sentimental (-:
From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 11:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

  Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
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Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-03 20:44:08 UTC
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that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.

From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

  Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
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s3raphita@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-03 23:42:05 UTC
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Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":


Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position? Or am I imagining that I heard that story? If so, I must be going senile.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM


Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
curtisdeltablues@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-04 14:11:41 UTC
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Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":

Me:
Many Homeless people accept help to live inside when they reach the age where it is too hard to continue to camp on public land which is what Guru Dev was doing when they asked him. I never heard about any trickery. He accepted once, then reneged and ran away for a while. Then they convinced him to come live inside. Quite a posh homeless shelter.

It was probably hard for an old guy to make such a big change. But the 3 hots and a cot lifestyle has its appeal for a man of a certain age. Even if it comes with people waving camphor and incense in your face occasionally.

Reading his words about religion reminds me of other fundamentalist religious people who like to think and talk about God all the time. I gotta figure it was because of a lack of commitment to mastering the guitar.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":


Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position? Or am I imagining that I heard that story? If so, I must be going senile.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM


Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
Michael Jackson mjackson74@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-04 15:30:52 UTC
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As long as he had a dry cave to sleep in, why would he worry about his housing, given the fact that he had that bag was it, the one that GD could reach into and pull out any food or other items he wanted? Reckon what happened to that bag, I doubt Marshy had it, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to defraud people to get money.

From: "***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 10:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

  Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":

Me:
Many Homeless people accept help to live inside when they reach the age where it is too hard to continue to camp on public land which is what Guru Dev was doing when they asked him. I never heard about any trickery. He accepted once, then reneged and ran away for a while. Then they convinced him to come live inside. Quite a posh homeless shelter.

It was probably hard for an old guy to make such a big change. But the 3 hots and a cot lifestyle has its appeal for a man of a certain age. Even if it comes with people waving camphor and incense in your face occasionally.

Reading his words about religion reminds me of other fundamentalist religious people who like to think and talk about God all the time. I gotta figure it was because of a lack of commitment to mastering the guitar.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":

Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position? Or am I imagining that I heard that story? If so, I must be going senile.



---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.

From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM

 Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.


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curtisdeltablues@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-04 16:44:01 UTC
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---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

As long as he had a dry cave to sleep in, why would he worry about his housing,

Me: Throw pillows. If you look at the pictures it is all about the color coordinated throw pillows.

M: given the fact that he had that bag was it, the one that GD could reach into and pull out any food or other items he wanted?

Me: Tee hee. Swami Rama said that when he met him he was living on chick pea sprouts and salt.

M:
Reckon what happened to that bag,

Me: It ended up in Never Never Land with Peter Pan

M: I doubt Marshy had it, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to defraud people to get money.

Me: It is interesting that Maharishi was able to sell us on the idea of a technique bringing us to a state of mind that he himself did not credit with producing his own special state of mind. That is why I could relate best to full time people when I was in the movement. We were imaging (accompanied by Maharishi's pitch) that we were living as closely to what he had done as we could. I believed in the techniques, but not as much as I believed in his more subtle message of how he had gained his state of mind through serving the master.

I almost asked him to clarify this relationship in India but in retrospect am glad I had not. This was supposed to be an implied teaching, and me asking him to be more explicit in a large group with mixed commitments would have brought down some "corrections to my thinking."



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 10:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM


Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":

Me:
Many Homeless people accept help to live inside when they reach the age where it is too hard to continue to camp on public land which is what Guru Dev was doing when they asked him. I never heard about any trickery. He accepted once, then reneged and ran away for a while. Then they convinced him to come live inside. Quite a posh homeless shelter.

It was probably hard for an old guy to make such a big change. But the 3 hots and a cot lifestyle has its appeal for a man of a certain age. Even if it comes with people waving camphor and incense in your face occasionally.

Reading his words about religion reminds me of other fundamentalist religious people who like to think and talk about God all the time. I gotta figure it was because of a lack of commitment to mastering the guitar.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":


Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position? Or am I imagining that I heard that story? If so, I must be going senile.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM


Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-04 17:52:30 UTC
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Indians don't eat "three squares" a day. They eat more like Europeans
with one big lunch and two smaller meals. Some of the yogis only eat
once a day or it interferes with their sadhana. After all these
techniques slow ... you ... down.

Americans need to adopt that too but it would be heresy to our
industrial agricultural complex. Remember America is all about money.
That's what we worship.

Also yogis don't like added responsibilities. Probably many of them
would flee the area if a institution wanted them as their leader.
Again, it interferes with sadhana.
Post by Michael Jackson ***@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As long as he had a dry cave to sleep in, why would he worry about his housing,
Me: Throw pillows. If you look at the pictures it is all about the
color coordinated throw pillows.
M: given the fact that he had that bag was it, the one that GD could
reach into and pull out any food or other items he wanted?
Me: Tee hee. Swami Rama said that when he met him he was living on
chick pea sprouts and salt.
Reckon what happened to that bag,
Me: It ended up in Never Never Land with Peter Pan
M: I doubt Marshy had it, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to defraud people to get money.
Me: It is interesting that Maharishi was able to sell us on the idea
of a technique bringing us to a state of mind that he himself did not
credit with producing his own special state of mind. That is why I
could relate best to full time people when I was in the movement. We
were imaging (accompanied by Maharishi's pitch) that we were living as
closely to what he had done as we could. I believed in the techniques,
but not as much as I believed in his more subtle message of how he had
gained his state of mind through serving the master.
I almost asked him to clarify this relationship in India but in
retrospect am glad I had not. This was supposed to be an implied
teaching, and me asking him to be more explicit in a large group with
mixed commitments would have brought down some "corrections to my
thinking."
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*Sent:* Saturday, July 4, 2015 10:11 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM
Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to
engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is
never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious
Many Homeless people accept help to live inside when they reach the
age where it is too hard to continue to camp on public land which is
what Guru Dev was doing when they asked him. I never heard about any
trickery. He accepted once, then reneged and ran away for a while.
Then they convinced him to come live inside. Quite a posh homeless
shelter.
It was probably hard for an old guy to make such a big change. But the
3 hots and a cot lifestyle has its appeal for a man of a certain age.
Even if it comes with people waving camphor and incense in your face
occasionally.
Reading his words about religion reminds me of other fundamentalist
religious people who like to think and talk about God all the time. I
gotta figure it was because of a lack of commitment to mastering the
guitar.
Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to
engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is
never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious
Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position?
Or am I imagining that I heard that story?! If so, I must be going senile.
that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am
gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with
this in mind.
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*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM
Anyone read this stuff?
These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information.
However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western
psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the
ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda
Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin,
which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins
have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of
simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in
nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent
difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between
Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.
It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is
reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness
itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman
itself.
Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage
in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never
addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.
PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save
us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He
was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will
only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
s3raphita@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-04 22:45:10 UTC
Permalink
Re "I never heard about any trickery. He accepted once, then reneged and ran away for a while. Then they convinced him to come live inside.":

That could be the source of my confusion.


Plato's philosopher-guardians in The Republic had to be coaxed into taking on the role of leading the society - they would have preferred to spend their lives in contemplation and studying geometry - but duty called.
Guru Dev's reluctance to take up the position of Shankaracharya strikes me as coming from the same mind set.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":

Me:
Many Homeless people accept help to live inside when they reach the age where it is too hard to continue to camp on public land which is what Guru Dev was doing when they asked him. I never heard about any trickery. He accepted once, then reneged and ran away for a while. Then they convinced him to come live inside. Quite a posh homeless shelter.

It was probably hard for an old guy to make such a big change. But the 3 hots and a cot lifestyle has its appeal for a man of a certain age. Even if it comes with people waving camphor and incense in your face occasionally.

Reading his words about religion reminds me of other fundamentalist religious people who like to think and talk about God all the time. I gotta figure it was because of a lack of commitment to mastering the guitar.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":


Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position? Or am I imagining that I heard that story? If so, I must be going senile.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM


Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
s3raphita@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-04 23:04:34 UTC
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Re "Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position":

I was right! From The TM Technique by Peter Russell (1976), page 23:


Every twelve years in India there is a large gathering of "saints" and holy men at Allahabad where two of the holy rivers, the Ganges and the Yamuna, meet. This festival is called the Kumbla [sic] Mela and it is customary for many of the recluses to come down from the mountains for this occasion. Along with thousands of others Guru Dev had left his cave to attend. Making the best of the opportunity his proponents performed the inauguration ceremony and having been officially invested as Shankaracharya for North India Guru Dev had little choice but to accept the honour.


I'm sure I've come across that account in other books and articles.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":


Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position? Or am I imagining that I heard that story? If so, I must be going senile.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM


Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
curtisdeltablues@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-05 01:23:09 UTC
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Me: It may have been after this that he disappeared for a while before finally accepting the position.

The way Maharishi tells this story is that when they did all the pujas for him to be Shankaracharia, he said "Are you done, now go." From his perspective it wasn't that he was tricked into it which makes him seem weak, but that the supporters were more enthusiastic about the whole thing than he was.

I would have to dig up my notes to see how he claims it went down in more detail but it may be moot now that Paul Mason has done so much research. Funny how the nuances of this period are still fascinating to me after all these years.




---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position":

I was right! From The TM Technique by Peter Russell (1976), page 23:


Every twelve years in India there is a large gathering of "saints" and holy men at Allahabad where two of the holy rivers, the Ganges and the Yamuna, meet. This festival is called the Kumbla [sic] Mela and it is customary for many of the recluses to come down from the mountains for this occasion. Along with thousands of others Guru Dev had left his cave to attend. Making the best of the opportunity his proponents performed the inauguration ceremony and having been officially invested as Shankaracharya for North India Guru Dev had little choice but to accept the honour.


I'm sure I've come across that account in other books and articles.


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Re "Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.":


Didn't MMY say that Guru Dev was tricked into accepting the position? Or am I imagining that I heard that story? If so, I must be going senile.






---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

that is a damn good question - I appreciate you posting this. I am gonna get this book and see what it does have to say, esp. now with this in mind.



From: "***@... [FairfieldLife]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roots of TM


Anyone read this stuff?

These types of biographies contain lots of valuable information. However, all of them tend to be hagiographies written by Western psychophantic householders. Consequently none of them reflect the ACTUAL view of sannyasa held by someone like swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was not just a sannyasin, but rather a Danda-Sannyasin, which is a specific category of stict renunciation. Danda-Sannyasins have no concern with the world at all. Rather, they take care of simple bodily needs and use their remaining life moments to engage in nididhyasana (contemplation). This means examination of the apparent difference between the Awareness-Self and experience itself. Between Self and Other. Between Brahman and appearances.

It also means contemplating the Upanishad declarations that Brahman is reality itself (satyam), Awareness itself (jnanam), limitlessness itself (anantam) and that this apparent world is that very Brahman itself.

Why did Swa. Brahmananda abandon this realization-practice to engage in a role-playing position as a kingly Shankaracharya. This is never addressed by the biographies but is glossed over with pious platitudes.

PS: Don't bother replying with "He loved us so much he wanted to save us from ourselves" christian theologizing B.S. Also leave off the "He was a great bodhisattva" Buddhist B.S. These types of answers will only demonstrate lack of understanding the question.
emptybill@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-05 22:05:29 UTC
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Too much TM apographa in this explanation.

TMers think like ordinary householders so they give a narrative that only makes sense within their prescribed view.

Renunciation (sannyasa) is neither a combination nor an alteration of meditation and action. Sannyasaa is the complete and unalterable abandonment of this world (or any world at all).

Why did Swami Brahmananda decide to accept the kingly life of worldly adoration?

This is the unanswered question.

Miche Mahew lunabean108@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
2015-07-03 17:26:48 UTC
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